First Look – 2011 Cannondale CAAD10

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Cannondale will be replacing it’s ever popular CAAD9 next year with an all new CAAD10. We got our first look at the new bike here at the 2010 Bike Press Camp and it looks like Cannondale found a way to make the CAAD even better. Watch the video below to hear what Doug Dalton has to say about the new bike. We’ll have a more in depth review of the bike later this summer.

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Discuss the CAAD10 in our Cannondale forum here!
Do you have a CAAD you love? Write a review for it here!

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About the author: Thien Dinh

Thien Dinh gained most his cycling knowledge the old fashioned way, by immersing himself in the sport. From 2007 to early 2013, Thien served as RoadBikeReview Site Manager, riding daily while putting various cycling products through its paces. A native of California, Thien also enjoys tinkering with photography and discovering new music.


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  • lord says:

    Does this CAAD10 have the hourglass seatstay?

  • Edgardo says:

    The MSRP is same as 2009 lineup?

  • joed says:

    made in taiwan (at least no prc)

  • scott says:

    No made in the USA on this frame , Sad Sad day

  • New World Order says:

    We are weeding out the last of the Hold Outs and appropriating jobs to the (legal, therefore ethical) new slave labor forces of Taiwan, China, Indonesia, etc. No manufacturing jobs in America means no money in the pockets or accounts of Americans = a dead economy for Americans. Thank you 🙂

    A

  • New World Odor says:

    I’m in no way defending the decision to move manufacturing jobs out of the U.S. but your view on labor in Taiwan and mainland China is pretty ill-informed. Like most westerners you see pictures of a coal mining town and think thats what all of China looks like.

  • slave laborer says:

    The romanticism associated with “Handmade in the USA” comes to a whimpering end. Why? Taiwanese workers aren’t destroying company profit margins via organized cri… er… labor unions and/or exorbitant compensation/benefits demands. They also have, bar none, the most extensive expertise in the world when it comes to building aluminum and carbon bicycle frames. That’s why even the high browed Italianoes are moving their beloved brands over here. If Ernesto Colnago can suck it up, then u definitely need to get over yourself.

  • Jason says:

    I had heard rumors that the CAAD would no longer be made in the USA for 2011, which influenced the timing of ordering a 2010 CAAD9 (still waiting it to arrive, aaargh!) The CAAD10 looks pretty sweet, but the stays are missing those sexy curves … though with SAVE technology, I’m sure it’s awesome in any case. I do admit to being disappointed that it’s no longer handmade in the USA … I’m sure the quality is just fine, but I guess I’m a bit of a romantic; I’ll feel that extra glimmer of pride sporting that statement on my new ride.

  • Creaky says:

    is it laterally stiff, or is it vertically complaint?

    kthx.

    first

  • jake says:

    neither second

  • Richard says:

    I understand the economics of outsourcing all too well unfortunately; nevertheless, after having purchased 4 Cannondale’s in the past 15 years, I can honestly say that I will not buy another Cannondale in the foreseeable future. I don’t believe offshoring production is a matter of “being competitive”, but rather a matter of lining the pockets of investors/business owners (as you know, Cannondale sold a couple years back to a large conglomerate). Anyhow, not only are non of the savings of this cute tactic ever passed on to consumers (in just about anything other than electronics), but its sold to us as a “necessary evil” -which I disagree.

    I’m not a big fan of their designs, but Serotta, here I come! Bye C’dale (emphatic ~sigh~)

  • Karlos says:

    Interesting!! having lusted for a cannondale for so long and about to part with hard earnt in the next few days!! Maybe I will take a look at the rest of the EASTERN Built bikes first… Real Shame to loose something so precious for false reasons…

    Karlos

  • Mat says:

    Karlos, you are a douchebag. Also, learn how to spell correctly. I recommend you take English 101.

  • Carl says:

    I agree with you Mat. Eastern built bikes? You moron lipped c.ock cranking retard. Go die in a corner.

  • Mikey_Mousey says:

    CANNONDALES SUCK! I TEST RODE A CAAD 10 OVER THE PAST MONTH AND THE FRAME IS SOOO SLOPPY LIKE A WET NOODLE. THE BOTTOM BRACKET DEVELOPED A HAIRLINE CRACK NEAR THE CHAINSTAYS. THIS BIKE IS A JOKE. AT 145 POUNDS I AM NOWHERE NEAR A HEAVYWEIGHT. THE CAAD 10’s ABSOLUTELY BLOW! BEWARE OF MARKETING AND OVERSEAS PRODUCTION.

  • SingleTrcker72 says:

    Mikey_Mousey YOU’RE A KNOB GOBBLER AND A LIER!!!!!!!! You tell me where you got your hands on a NON production Caad 10 for a month when they didn’t even have enough bikes for everyone to ride for 2 weeks in Park City ! Stop taking crap and go back to the rock you crawled out from under ! Cannondales like %90 of all bikes are going to be made outside of the USA mainly due to the growing competition between all of the manufactures. Asia in general build great frames when using top quality materials like the rest of the bike manufactures have been for the past 15 to 20 years ya like Trek , Specialized , Jamis , Giant and some of the new rides like Titus and Pivot you gonna call those junk too ya tool ?! Get over yourself and get a life ! The CAAD 10 is super sweet and rides nice no hourglass seat stay but it does have S.A.V.E chain stays and is like 190grams lighter …. Test ride one to decide yourself don’t listen to knobs like Mikey_Mousey…

  • Mikey_Mousey says:

    SingleTrcker72, you are another douchbag who needs to take english 101. That’s besides the point though. The fact is, I DID test ride a Cannondale Caad 10 2011 for one month. I have been in the bicycle biz for years now, and have come to know many people in high places (in the cycling world). What you are telling me is that the bike must ride well because it has S.A.V.E chain stays and the quality of production in Asia is top notch. I have one question for you: Have you ridden a CAAD 10? I have ridden one, so my opinion is based on actual riding of the bike, and not speculating. If you haven’t ridden a CAAD 10, your opinion does not count! Why don’t you make like a tree, and LEAVE!

  • Dan says:

    Hey cool Mikey_Mouse, I’m best friends with the presidents of literally every major bicycle company. I’ve test ridden every single new bike coming out for at least a couple of weeks and I’ve found nothing wrong with the CAAD10. In fact, my entire family is riding CAAD10’s because the CEO of c’dale thought that we should have one. Your opinion does not count. Why don’t you make like an internet person and come up with a better story.

  • Mikey_Mousey says:

    Dan, you are a just as much a joke as the CAAD 10. My opinion doesn’t count? I’ve only been a competitive cyclist for 8 years, and ridden dozens of high end machines, including the CAAD 9 (which is an outstanding bike). I was selected by the USA to be a part of the national team for numerous pro races. You are probably some fuddy duddy who rides once a week for an hour, then drinks beer the rest of the day. You probably ride on deep carbon tubulars on your club ride and look like a complete jackass.
    For anyone thinking about buying a CAAD 10, I have said it before: beware of the marketing hype and overseas production. The CAAD 10 is a really light aluminium bike, which comes at a cost…structural integrity. The CAAD 10 is made in Taiwan, where quality control is not near the standards in the USA. And finally, The CAAD 10 is in its first year of production, where design flaws and defects are bound to happen (as was the case with my CAAD 10, where it broke at the BB shell).

  • Drewmcg says:

    I have a question about the rear fork. The picture above shows very little clearance for the tire being used. Assuming that the tire is a (standard) 23c, does this mean that one cannot ride a 25c with adequate clearance? If so, this is a serious design flaw, especially for an aluminum bike. Those of us bigger/heavier riders (>200lbs) often prefer 25c tires, especially for longer endurance rides (centuries), since they allow for lower pressure and a smoother, more stable ride.

    I just can’t picture how a 25c would fit in there, based on the photo. Anyone have any real information to share on this issue?

  • malcontent says:

    I just purchased a 2010 Caad9 1 and am proud to say that it was built in the last run of the last aluminum frame fabricated by Cannondale in the United States. I was told by the shop that they were moving their production to Taiwan going forward and I wanted one made here. I love that it says “Handbuilt in the United States” on the seat stays.

    • allan says:

      thinking of getting 2015 caad10 3 short rides 3-4 times a week I’am 58 just want to ride lbs said it was make in usa true or false?

  • Mikey_Mousey says:

    Drew, there is enough clearance for a 25c tire on the rear. However, this bike is not designed for heavier riders as the tubes are very thin and will crack. In fact, it is not even designed for riders weighing 145lbs, as I clearly broke my CAAD 10.
    Malcontent, you will reap the rewards for many many miles with your CAAD 9. Consider this year to be the last for Cannondale quality!

    • Tony says:

      Anyone that chooses a bike on color is a tool plain and silmpe The bike rides great regardless of the BS in this forum . As far as Made in the USA get ready to dig deep into your pockets for a USA made bike they are few and far between Unfortunately cyclist have turned to buying there stuff online for dirt cheap even though they have local bike shops they should be supporting. Its those of you that don’t buy locally and support the local economy that have caused most bike manufacturers to run over seize to be able to keep cost down and offer the cheap skate bargain hunters happy . On the other side of the fence you have North American welders and builders that need to get paid a descent wage to build the USA made bike you all want but aren’t willing to pay for because you turn to online close outs for your next ride It’s lame that we’ve gotten to this point in a country that manufactures great things It’s ever more sad that non of you blame yourselves

  • Kramerica says:

    I also test rode the caad10, and here’s my take on it:
    -very lite bike (for alu)
    -bottom bracket area is not very stiff at all
    -corners well, but nothing exciting
    -comfortable ride

    I have recently heard reports of the seatstays cracking at junction points, as well as bottom bracket cracks.

    My personal rating of this bike: 5.5/10

    Cannondale needs to assess these issues, and fast because the caad10’s are going for sale very soon.

  • Rock says:

    The way its setup, is this a tourist bike?

  • jpw says:

    How is it that the welds on my 1985 and 1993 frames are, well, perfectly smooth compared to these?

    I just got deja vu (from Wal-Mart or Target’s sporting goods dept–which one, I can’t be sure).

    Seriously now.

  • Doug says:

    It looks like they build a System Six out of Aluminum. Oval top tube, tapered, oversize head tube, same bottom bracket. I think that I will stay with what I have.
    I do hope the bike does well for them. Sounds like they have improved the Aluminum frame.

  • Proud CAAD9 owner says:

    I love my 2010 CAAD9-4, greatest aluminum bike every built, but will never buy another Cannondale product – shorts, jersey, what have you- because of their transfer of production to Taiwan. And for what? 2 million of cost savings, to line the pockets of major institutional shareholders. Next bike will be a Serotta, Seven, or Parlee. This is a huge opportunity for one of the major US-based manufacturers to go downmarket and capture customers who value Made in USA frames.

  • singletracker72 says:

    Mikey_Mousey:
    “The CAAD 10 is made in Taiwan, where quality control is not near the standards in the USA”
    Ok so you’ve been super Roadie for like a decade and somehow someone thought it would be smart to hand you a CAAD10 so that you could slam it on line with out signing a nondisclosure… Don’t think so , but lets say for the sake of it they did. First things first if you knew the first thing about Cannondales QC ALL of the CAAD 10 frames will be welded in Asia and then sent to Pennsylvania where the same Americans that have be QCing their bikes for years will inspect measure and approve the frame and forks to be built up and build them up here in the states . So no need to worry about Taiwanese QC problems . Second , if you know anything about Cannondale they carry a lifetime warranty on manufacturer defects and one year on cosmetic flaws.They are very very good about standing by their products . So the truth is as long as you’re not hung up on Made in the USA Cannondale will still be providing cyclist with very hi quality performance for serious cyclists and semi entry level for individuals looking a long last quality Bike . As for Mikey_Mousey I’ll let you judge for yourselves…I’m just going to say Cannondale is smarter then that …

  • Authorized Cannondale Dealer says:

    Let me first begin by saying that I have test ridden a CAAD 10 bike, with similar setup as the one shown at the top of this page. As a dealer of Cannondales, I was invited to test them, and consider my orders for the Fall season. Cannondale did not require any of the dealers present, to sign a nondisclosure; that is simply bogus. I have been selling and servicing bikes for 9 years now, and I would never sell a superlight carbon racing frame to a 250lbs weekend warrior, for example. Similarly, I would not sell a CAAD 10 to a 250lbs rider, because it was designed for lighter riders who need to shave every gram possible for a racing advantage. This bike will likely not last as long as the CAAD9 or other well-built, heavier aluminum frames, simply because it’s tube walls are thinner and more minimalistic. That is the compromise of lighter frames. Take carbon as an example; when frame manufacturers began using it, frames were built tough but heavy (by today’s standards). These days a high end carbon frame can be broken if it tips over, because the tube walls are made thinner and lighter.

  • singletracker72 says:

    You’re taking the nondisclosure out of context ,Mikey_Mousey claims the Cannondale gave him a CAAD10 for a month to test . Being that you’re a dealer like me you know that Cannondale would never do such a thing. We were in park city also and as you well know there weren’t a plethora of CADD10s . Of coarse you don’t need to sign a non disclosure YOU’RE A DEALER WHY WOULD YOU BASH WHAT YOU SELL … This guy claims someone gave him a bike that hasn’t even been released yet for a month THAT’S WHATS BOGUS….

  • Since 1983 says:

    Go American or go home!! Bitter sweet day I pick up a 2010 Caad 9 today but it will be my last Cannondale! Are Huffy’s still made in the US?

  • Sten says:

    Sad that the CAAD10 it’s that week, cracks up. I am very pleased with my CAAD9. From what I have read here, it won’t be a CAAD10.

  • Jeffie says:

    I agree with Rock. Nice ridiculously high handlebar setup. I don’t value your opinion because I know you have no idea how to ride a road bike to begin with.

  • CJ says:

    Everything looks like it’s setup for stiffness (BB30, flared downtube, assymetric headtube,) but the chainstays look rather wispy. I don’t see how those could transfer power like the CAAD9? Also notice there is a bridge between the chainstays behind the BB. I would think if they were stiff they’d be able to support themselves? Maybe I’m wrong but I’d be interested to hear if the power transfer lives up to the legendary levels of the CAAD series. I hope they didn’t soften it up.

  • The_Rock says:

    What an ugly bike. Could the paint schemes be any more bland? There are so many frame manufacturers of high quality bikes who let the customer choose from a multitude of colours. I am actually happy that people buy into this crap, cause that makes my bikes even more unique. I will never ride a Cannondale, Trek, Specialized, Giant, Colnago, or any other big names, because everyone has the same crap with the same paint schemes.

  • singletracker72 says:

    Anyone that chooses a bike on color is a tool … plain and simple … The bike rides great regardless of the BS in this forum . As far as Made in the USA get ready to dig deep into your pockets for a USA made bike they are few and far between … Unfortunately cyclist have turned to buying there stuff online for dirt cheap even though they have local bike shops they should be supporting. Its those of you that don’t buy locally and support the local economy that have caused most bike manufacturers to run over seize to be able to keep cost down and offer the cheap skate bargain hunters happy . On the other side of the fence you have North American welders and builders that need to get paid a descent wage to build the USA made bike you all want but aren’t willing to pay for because you turn to online close outs for your next ride … It’s lame that we’ve gotten to this point in a country that manufactures great things … It’s ever more sad that non of you blame yourselves…

  • Chris says:

    Well said, singletracker. I know the effects of buying USA made first hand. My mother worked for the last existing automotive plant in California for 15 years until they decided to close their doors and leave 4000 employees jobless. It would be great if the CAAD10 were manufactured here in the US. I know I’d be willing to spend the extra cash to buy American made because in the end, we’re helping to provide a living to other fellow Americans.

  • muttsbutts says:

    singletracker72, your comment #36 is exactly right!!! I purchased my CAAD9 this past July 2010 in order to beat the manufacture deadline. First of all, I was looking to retire my 1984 Mondia Super (Swiss built) with a newer bike. Second, I didn’t want carbon, so a metal frame was my choice. Third, my CHOICE was to buy a U.S. made frame. Forth, price range was a consideration for me. The research I did concluded that the CAAD9 is an exceptional bike in design, build, and real world function. Also, the price was great for what I think I got (CAAD9 4), and yes I did get it at an lbs. Even though it might make me a tool, I got the CAAD9 4 in particular and not a 5 or a 6 because I couldn’t just buy a frameset only and I WANTED the BBQ black. I didn’t get the bike because Asian builders can’t build quality, they do and they have for decades, I got it because I could get a quality bike, constructed by a quality American laborer, whom hopefully earned a decent wage. Thank you Cannondale for that opportunity. I am 6’1″ and over 200lbs, but well shy of 250, so hopefully the CAAD9’s frame will be robust enough to last long term. The ride quality and handling are awesome, and the bike is a blast to ride. Thanks for reading.

  • Iceman says:

    Whoa! Wow you guys, talk about smack down left and right! It is obvious there are Can lovers and haters. What ever the product is some will love it and for others it will be garbage. Not everyone likes sliced bread. As for made in America, open up our markets to any and all suppliers and the American worker is going to be undercut, period. People like to say America is the best place in the world to work, top of the heap. Problem with being at the top of the heap is any direction you take leads downhill. Yes people want to save money, it is ok to buy online. Support the American economy where you can. (I ride Merlin Extralight, remember the Merlin motto, don’t hate me because I have one, get one yourself) ha! Sram red, Mavic Cosmic Carbon or maybe my Lews today, Lews, for I go to the mountains to touch the clouds…..I digress. Buying online does not mean you can’t buy American (where you can find it). As for supporting your LBS, they are for beginner and intermediate riders who need the help, I am not here to line the pockets of the LBS. I have had it out with more than one of the Local owners re: this. My argument is this, they supply 3 things, price, service and availability. Price-I can always beat their prices, Service-I do ALL my own work on my bikes(a LBS taught me that lesson the hard way), Availability-when I do go in to support the LBS 9 out of 10 times I get “we can order that for you”, I can do that too. Strike three your out. Major purchases, educate yourself and get it yourself. The LBS is good for tires tubes cables …. I digress again.. Remember, aluminum is for pop cans not bike frames. Ti-good Ti lasts forever. Sniveling low land pilgrims. Chew on that for awhile, I might come back here. The Iceman speaketh

  • Iceman says:

    Oh ya, I came here looking for reviews for a caad10 for the Icewoman. I was told it was an all cabon frame. Aluminum and not made in America? Easy choice, Icewoman no ride this piece of not made in America.

  • smallcity says:

    I would like to add my 2 cents. I graduated from a full-time welding school (1000+ hrs of instruction) some time ago. I have been a certified welder for over 25 years, having passed structural as well as x-ray weld certification. Having examined the Caad’s (pre-Caad 10’s) already made in Taiwan, I can tell you that there is no comparison to the weld quality when compared to the American made Caad’s. It’s obvious to me that when you look at the American made Caad’s that they were made by a welder who was a true craftsman. This may be a precursor to problems down the road.

  • naytan says:

    In five years your warranty dealer will be Wal-Mart. Didn’t people learn what Durel Industries/Pacific Cycles do? GT, Mongoose, Schwinn, they were all respectable bike branks. Cannondale is an undead zombie, someone go for the headshot before it gets ugly.

  • wake up says:

    Just giving a few examples. what do the following bicycle brands all have in common? Trek, Giant, Jamis, Fuji, Cervelo, Specialized, and now Cannondale. The over whelming majority of all their bicycles are not produced in The US of A. After you check that out take a look at your closet, what you drive, the toys your children play with, your smart phone , even the computer youre reading this on. Then bitch and moan about pride in seeing hand built in the USA on a bicycle

  • xenophobia says:

    ditto @wake up. hmm.. if taiwanese bikes are all crap.. how did menchov win the giro on a taiwanese bike and reach the podium on the tour? didn’t ulrich, towards the end of his career, also ride a taiwanese bike? i take it everyone on this thread who complain about taiwanese build quality do not ride on the pro tour. if its good enough for the pros.. i think i’ll be alright with a giant advanced or a taiwanese made caad 10.

  • Loon says:

    God; I’m so glad I ride an Independent Fabrication Crown Jewel. God Bless America

  • Iceman says:

    You guys can’t get into my club house with those bikes.
    Serrotta Snobs rule! Don’t hate me cause I have one, buy one yourself…pilgrim.
    Oh ya, do your homework, there have been many a TDF rider riding a rebadged Trek, or Huffy.

  • xenophobia says:

    yeah. homework done. menchov gets podium at the tour with a giant tcr advanced sl that’s MADE IN TAIWAN. i always thought if it was good enough for the tour riders.. its more than enough bike for me.

  • cracklet says:

    what is all these crap about american superiority on quality? open your eyes dude. it’s no longer economically sound to produce products in america. moving production to taiwan will somehow give american companies a fighting chance of avoiding being in the red. but don’t tell me that the quality of taiwanese-built bikes is inferior. taiwan has been producing top-quality bikes for years now. workers there have acquired great knowledge and skills in frame-building. look at two of the taiwanese companies building and selling bikes: MERIDA AND KINESIS. Look at the quality of their products. the world mtb champ rides a MERIDA 0-nine. KINESIS is being used in top notch road bike races. there’s no doubt that Ameican products have that distinctive quality, but globalization has affected the profitability of American companies to the point that continuing production in the US will make them bankrupt. You Americans have to live with that. The truth is you’re losing your competitive advantage because of new NICs like Taiwan which can produce high quality bikes at reasonable prices.

  • dogthyme says:

    After reading all the pro and con about the caad 10 I bought one in a large size. I am a 200 lb rider and am fairly fit. I also had a same sized caad 9. After riding the caad 10 for a couple of weeks I sold it. The wimpy chain stays let the BB twist to the point that the outer three cogs are not usable under a load in the small cr. The chain could be made to rub on the front derailleur by just pedaling. Tried standard and compact cranksets, Red and Force front derailleur, and even the angle shim that SRAM makes. Spent probably 6 hours fine tuning to no avail. Thank goodness there were a few caad 9 framesets available as I bought 2 more of them. Cannondale has really dropped the ball on the caad 10 as far as the larger bikes are concerned. I hope by the time I wear out the 3 caad 9s I have they have corrected the 10.

  • mangas says:

    Slave Laborer,you and your ilk are idiots, see your quote “The romanticism associated with “Handmade in the USA” comes to a whimpering end. Why? Taiwanese workers aren’t destroying company profit margins via organized cri… er… labor unions and/or exorbitant compensation/benefits demands”

    You stupid jerk, as if it’s a problem to earn good wages and benefits. Join the Tea Party moron, there’s plenty more like you ready to destroy the middle class by caving in to corporate greed. You would have made a great serf.

    • DagYo says:

      I’m glad you said it.

      They sound like a freaking cult that gets their every thought from that fat bigot Limbaugh. Just STFU already about unions and how the rich will save us all if we just give them more money.

      What a tool.

  • Nate says:

    Sorry guys, but I don’t buy all the “industry insider” stories that are floating around these comments. Yes, I do like American made bikes (have a Sinister Ridge), but I don’t think there is anything blatantly WRONG with bikes welded outside the country!

    Seriously… NO WAY did you crack the bike at 145lbs, and I don’t believe that you flexed the frame so badly that you can’t shift it right anymore. Learn to “mechanic” your “drailers”

    And everything about aluminum being for soda cans. Give me a break you pig headed elitists!

    I work on bikes as a full time job. I know what I like and what I don’t. My CAAD10 has yet to do ANY of these things you’ve mentioned.

  • Agdm says:

    Bought a caad10 yesterday. First time on a bike in at least 8 years. Riding home from the shop on first day with it was 7.1 miles, according to google maps. Gotta say the bike feels pretty good and I believe I will get a great workout on it. I guess when I start racing competitively like some of you, I may find things to complain about… but for now I’m really happy with it. I’m 6’2\ and 215lbs

  • sam says:

    i have a caad 8 (2006), caad 9 (2007), and tested a caad 10 (2011). just for comparison, the caad 9 is the best. its stiffer and cosmetically more beautiful (the 8 and 9 are both raw aluminum / clear coat, 9 having more decals). on the bike, all three feel the same (geometry is identical), but when hammering, the 9 feels more explosive. granted the 10 had a differnt cockpit and ksy elite wheels, but there was a vagueness about the 10 that i belive came from the BB area. looking at the welds, the 10 is sloppy compared to the 8 and 9, especially the bridge to hold the chain stays (that tells you that there was a issue in that area so extra support was added. also the cable stops are so nice on the 8s and 9s. they are balls with holes drilled in them and welded to the head tube, very clean. on the 10 the cable stops look rivited on the down tube, so now you have cable rub issues and actually the left one was crooked and not symetrical to the right one (quality control), like someone just quickly slapped them on in an assembly line. boo. looks like my cannondale days are over, well may the SS evo?

  • nuckaj says:

    Waking the dead, but ROFLMFAO at a lot of this commentary. To those of you who were lying, way to stick with the lie. To those of you who were telling the truth… Ah who am I kidding?

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