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Anyone have the geometry charts for the new 2011 felt F series yet? I see they changed it from last year with more sizes, but there are no geo charts out yet.
 

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quickfeet18 said:
Anyone have the geometry charts for the new 2011 felt F series yet? I see they changed it from last year with more sizes, but there are no geo charts out yet.

There are no major changes to the middle sizes, but we've increased the range of sizes as well as created more even steps between the smaller and larger sizes.

The F-series alloy bikes:
F75, F85, F95, FA
size 48 51 54 56 58 61
HA 71 72.5 73 73.5 74 74
SA 74.5 74 73.5 73.5 73.5 73
TT horiz 515 530 545 560 580 605
TT C-C 498 512 531 546 567 592
Head Tube 100 120 130 150 170 210
ST C-T 440 470 520 540 570 610
ST C-C 392 422 472 492 522 562
BB Drop 72 70 70 70 70 70
CS 403 403 405 405 407 410
Front Center 581 579 580 588 604 622
Wheelbase 969 968 974 983 1000 1022
Rake 52 50 45 43 43 43
Standover 681 710 750 770 796 834

reach 374 379 386 395 409 417
stack 500 523 536 557 578 617


The F-series carbon models: F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, FC
size 48 51 54 56 58 61
HA 71 72.5 73 73.5 74 74
SA 74.5 74 73.5 73.5 73.5 73
TT horiz 510 530 545 560 580 605
TT C-C 492 513 532 547 568 592
Head Tube 100 110 120 140 160 200
ST C-T 440 480 520 540 570 610
ST C-C 392 432 472 492 522 562
BB Drop 72 70 70 70 70 70
CS 403 403 405 405 407 410
Front Center 577 578 580 588 604 622
Wheelbase 969 971 974 983 1000 1022
Rake 52 50 45 43 43 43
Standover 681 717 750 770 796 834
reach 370 381 389 397 412 419
stack 500 514 526 548 569 607


Please let me know if you have additional questions.

-SD
 

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Wow that is disappointing. I was going to order a frameset, but will probably look at something else for my next race bike. The chain stays and wheelbase have been shortened way too much. Yeah I know at slow speeds the handling is improved, but I feel it will climb as bad as my Supersix did, which had almost the same measurements. The weight was distributed so far back on that thing it was like wrestling a crack addict to the top of a hill. The front wants to go every which direction on bikes like that, and that was what made the old F unique and a calm steady climbing bike. I guess I’ll just have to spring for a Colnago to get a proper climbing bike now.
 

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Wow that is disappointing. I was going to order a frameset, but will probably look at something else for my next race bike. The chain stays and wheelbase have been shortened way too much. Yeah I know at slow speeds the handling is improved, but I feel it will climb as bad as my Supersix did, which had almost the same measurements. The weight was distributed so far back on that thing it was like wrestling a crack addict to the top of a hill. The front wants to go every which direction on bikes like that, and that was what made the old F unique and a calm steady climbing bike. I guess I’ll just have to spring for a Colnago to get a proper climbing bike now.
Huh?..
 

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Wow that is disappointing. I was going to order a frameset, but will probably look at something else for my next race bike. The chain stays and wheelbase have been shortened way too much. Yeah I know at slow speeds the handling is improved, but I feel it will climb as bad as my Supersix did, which had almost the same measurements. The weight was distributed so far back on that thing it was like wrestling a crack addict to the top of a hill. The front wants to go every which direction on bikes like that, and that was what made the old F unique and a calm steady climbing bike. I guess I’ll just have to spring for a Colnago to get a proper climbing bike now.
That's a suprise, when we've been tasked to make special climbing bikes for particular stages SHORTER stays are requested, not longer. Not to worry too much however as we have both our AR and Z series bikes with longer stays if you feel that is what you need.

I'd like to hear how 3-9mm of chain stay length changes the climbing characteristics of this bike.

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I think that's strange also. Shorter stays seems to lead to to a nice climbing bike.

SD, question for you on the 74deg HA on a 58. Am very interested in the new carbon frames from Felt and hopefully will have the opportunity to ride one before I decide. That's a fairly steep HA relative to other stuff out there - would you describe the frame as more sharp and responsive than some of the other similar tier bikes - the Z series in a 58 slacks the angle all the way to 72.5. Haven't ridden either but curious as to general handling perceptions on the F series versus others.

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You can do shorter stays and that is fine, but the front center needs to be longer so you can get more weight over the front wheel. On the Supersix I had to run an 140mm stem to stabilize it, which made it not so responsive. Look at most of the climbers on LG, they are all using 130mm-140mm stems. Shortstays + short front center means a jumpy front end at least in the smaller sizes. The larger frames are probably fine, and the 58 looks like the sweetspot. Now don't get me wrong it was a great bike for crits, which is why I still use a caad9 for those, but it did not climb well without having to make compromises with the setup. Also I find it interesting how insanely close the new F geo. is to the supersix. Its basically a supersix with a shorter headtube and yes a lot of people love the Six, and its defiantly a great handling bike, but it lacks the versatility of something like a CLX, TCR, Madone, old F series etc. I already have a Z which I use for longer all days and stage races, but I've got a few quibbles with its geo. as well, though it is a great bike overall, and I'm not really using it as a more relaxed geo. bike as it was intended for so some complaints are expected.

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size 54 54
HA 73 73
SA 73.5 73.5
TT horiz 545 545
Head Tube 120 140
ST C-T 520 520
ST C-C 472 472
BB Drop 70 70
CS 405 405
Front Center 580 580
Wheelbase 974 975
Rake 45 45
 

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spartanbike said:
dave,

price/eta of a f1 frameset. will there be a di2 specific frameset for sale?
The F1 is going to be around $3500 I'd guess. We have not launched pricing, and I don't set the USA (or any other country) MSRP.

The Frame is both Di2 and mechanical. It is convertible with these clever cable stops that fill the Di2 ports.

I susepect you'll see complete bikes later this summer and framesets around November.

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a_avery007 said:
prefer longer head tubes.. 120 on a 54cm bike is hella short..
We have to balance the requirements of everyone the bicycle is intended for. It is a pure race machine and the choice for many of the guys on the Garmin/Transitions squad. Several of those guys are using the F-series frames w/ -17deg stems and no spacers.

For those that prefer a more upright posture, the AR and Z series both offer taller head tubes.

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but you are not selling to

SuperdaveFelt said:
We have to balance the requirements of everyone the bicycle is intended for. It is a pure race machine and the choice for many of the guys on the Garmin/Transitions squad. Several of those guys are using the F-series frames w/ -17deg stems and no spacers.

For those that prefer a more upright posture, the AR and Z series both offer taller head tubes.

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pros!

140 would be reasonable on a bike of that size like most other manu's Spesh, Cann and others are around 140-150mm's in that size range.

the Z series does a better job of balancing the whole package like your older F series...

older geometry was really well balanced in the F series in my worthless opinion, was hoping they would just change the moulds, but keep the geo the same and raise the head tubes by 2 cm's per size..

and i feel what the other person is saying on the front center's being longer as once they start to get below 57.5-58cm, no matter what the chainstay length, you start to get a bike that is a handful on descents that are rough, now Crits is entirely a different equation-perfect like you have it! but i thought this bike was supposed to be a stage racer???lol

yes, the pro's can do it, but the regular joe is going to end up in the weeds more often than not in anything other that glass smooth conditions..

all just my lousy 1cent...
 

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I can't say I like the new 61cm size. The old 60 was just right for me. I know it is only 5mm in TT difference and 10mm head tube but I think the new 61 will feel a little too big and a 58 will definately be too small.
 

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SuperdaveFelt said:
The F1 is going to be around $3500 I'd guess. We have not launched pricing, and I don't set the USA (or any other country) MSRP.

The Frame is both Di2 and mechanical. It is convertible with these clever cable stops that fill the Di2 ports.

I susepect you'll see complete bikes later this
summer and framesets around November.

-SD
I thought $2800 for the frameset. That was the quoted price from the cycling news article.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/major-revamp-for-2011-felt-f-series-and-da-platforms
 

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a_avery007 said:
pros!

140 would be reasonable on a bike of that size like most other manu's Spesh, Cann and others are around 140-150mm's in that size range.

the Z series does a better job of balancing the whole package like your older F series...

older geometry was really well balanced in the F series in my worthless opinion, was hoping they would just change the moulds, but keep the geo the same and raise the head tubes by 2 cm's per size..

and i feel what the other person is saying on the front center's being longer as once they start to get below 57.5-58cm, no matter what the chainstay length, you start to get a bike that is a handful on descents that are rough, now Crits is entirely a different equation-perfect like you have it! but i thought this bike was supposed to be a stage racer???lol

yes, the pro's can do it, but the regular joe is going to end up in the weeds more often than not in anything other that glass smooth conditions..

all just my lousy 1cent...

We're not selling to Pros? We certainly are selling to the top rung of the peloton, although you are right, the Garmin guys do not pay for their bikes per se. We make the F-series the way we do because we already have alternative geometires with the AR, Z, and ZW models. The F series is a perfect bike for crits and those with the ambition of riding what (and how) the pros do. The Z bikes is a better bike if all you do is desend as the longer wheelbase plants the bike. In any case, we're talking about mms, and that difference alone isn't likely to put you in the weeds over another Felt bike. Proper fit has far more to do with the stability and handling that trimming the chainstays another 4mm shorter over the previous models.

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I really like the geometry changes - especially the seat angle on the three smaller sizes. The 54, in particular, just became a much easier bike to fit @ 73.5 vs 74.5. Nice job.

Speaking to the height of the front end, I would agree with SD, there are many people riding this bike that have it slammed all the way down with a -17 stem. That's all about closed hip angle, and what an individual is capable of; both the Z and AR are exceptional bikes if you want performance with a more relaxed position. SD, would I be out of line stating that (unless I'm wrong), the new fork on the F-Series is a little taller and brings the front end up almost a cm?
 

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There are no major changes to the middle sizes, but we've increased the range of sizes as well as created more even steps between the smaller and larger sizes.

The F-series alloy bikes:
F75, F85, F95, FA
size 48 51 54 56 58 61
HA 71 72.5 73 73.5 74 74
SA 74.5 74 73.5 73.5 73.5 73
TT horiz 515 530 545 560 580 605
TT C-C 498 512 531 546 567 592
Head Tube 100 120 130 150 170 210
ST C-T 440 470 520 540 570 610
ST C-C 392 422 472 492 522 562
BB Drop 72 70 70 70 70 70
CS 403 403 405 405 407 410
Front Center 581 579 580 588 604 622
Wheelbase 969 968 974 983 1000 1022
Rake 52 50 45 43 43 43
Standover 681 710 750 770 796 834

reach 374 379 386 395 409 417
stack 500 523 536 557 578 617


The F-series carbon models: F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, FC
size 48 51 54 56 58 61
HA 71 72.5 73 73.5 74 74
SA 74.5 74 73.5 73.5 73.5 73
TT horiz 510 530 545 560 580 605
TT C-C 492 513 532 547 568 592
Head Tube 100 110 120 140 160 200
ST C-T 440 480 520 540 570 610
ST C-C 392 432 472 492 522 562
BB Drop 72 70 70 70 70 70
CS 403 403 405 405 407 410
Front Center 577 578 580 588 604 622
Wheelbase 969 971 974 983 1000 1022
Rake 52 50 45 43 43 43
Standover 681 717 750 770 796 834
reach 370 381 389 397 412 419
stack 500 514 526 548 569 607


Please let me know if you have additional questions.

-SD
Hi Dave , I have a chance to buy a F1 2012 bike online.. so i cant try it size 58, I'am 6ft, with a 32 and half inside leg, would this frame be ok for me, Ant advice would be well helpful.
Cheers
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Hi Dave , I have a chance to buy a F1 2012 bike online.. so i cant try it size 58, I'am 6ft, with a 32 and half inside leg, would this frame be ok for me, Ant advice would be well helpful.
Cheers
Roy
If it is impossible to find a dealer that can fit you correctly on a bike then I'd say your proportions are consistent with the fit of our 58cm F series.

You could be an outlier or have physical limitations that would make the 56cm a better fit, but in general I'd start someone your size on a 58cm.

-SD
 
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