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As much as I customarily pull for underdogs, maturity leads me to believe that professional sports and keeping players with teams in a small market is almost an oxymoron. Kareem from Milwaukee to LA; O'Neil from Orlando to LA; KD from OKC to Frisco; James Hardin OKC to Houston; Kevin Garrett Timberwolves to Boston; Kawhi Leonard Toronto to ?.
And that indeed is the rub... though it should be noted that Toronto is actually a very large city of 2.7 million ppl, and would be roughly tied with Chicago for the 3rd largest city in the US were it an American city.
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...It's just that Jordan was that incredible, probably the best player to ever play the game (LeBron fans, plug your ears).
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Oscar Robertson on line two...

 

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Oscar Robertson on line two...


Well, now we know why Oscar scored on such a high percentage of his drives... no one wanted to get tea-bagged.
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That is an impressive website, for depth of information.

I like to go with Bill Russell in such discussions. A case can be made, and very few of the Jordan/James/Abdul-Jabbar people are ready for it.
I liked all the video clips. And I'll wager there are very few sports columns, even in the "databall" era, that get a chance to trot out the dangers of multicollinearity in judging players.

But help me out here: I'm still not sure what "WOWY" is an acronym for (I really suck an vanity plates, texting acronyms, anagrams, and Wheel of Fortune, too), but I know Oscar had a shitload of it:

Edit: I pursued some more links, and (eventually) figured out WOWY means "Without, With You." :blush2: I also found this comment re the Big O:

"While Oscar is largely revered, most people don’t know that his impact was quantifiably enormous, dragging an otherwise inept team in Cincinnati to respectability, then later catapulting Kareem’s Bucks into the upper stratosphere."

 

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But help me out here: I'm still not sure what "WOWY" is an acronym for (I really suck an vanity plates, texting acronyms, anagrams, and Wheel of Fortune, too), but I know Oscar had a shitload of it:

Edit: I pursued some more links, and (eventually) figured out WOWY means "Without, With You."
Yes, and it seems to be about game level data, which makes it useful for estimating impact with older data.

Boiled down from my quick skim: WOWYR is a weighted least squares regression model, and it's a measure of how much the player impacts the team performance in games (+/- points) controlling for lineups. Captures offense and defense, so an overall effect.

I am not going to read what all the terms are and their assumptions, much less try to decide if it is close to the BLUE.
 

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Staring to actually feel bad for Portland... yet another big halftime lead, yet another huge Warriors comeback in the 3rd quarter. Blame Steph, the bench(!), and Draymond Green and his triple-double. :eek:

GS's up 3-0, only real question now is whether it'll be a true sweep or a "gentleman's sweep", aka done in five games.

But props to Portland, a lot of ppl had zero expectations for them this year after seeing them get swept out of the playoffs in the first round the past two years. Yet they got all the way to the WC Finals, even with their starting center/third-option out with a broken leg... resilience.

They've got a lot of good things going on in terms of their backcourt, certain bench players (Curry, Hood), and their overall fighting spirit, just not sure how they'll be able to get over the hump and be able to take out GS or the Rockets when push comes to shove, that's all.

Also have to wonder if a Denver-GS series would've been better, in terms of Denver matching up a bit better vs the Warriors' personnel. GS has too many guys who can guard perimeter-shooters well (sorry Portland).
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Staring to actually feel bad for Portland... yet another big halftime lead, yet another huge Warriors comeback in the 3rd quarter. Blame Steph, the bench(!), and Draymond Green and his triple-double. :eek:

GS's up 3-0, only real question now is whether it'll be a true sweep or a "gentleman's sweep", aka done in five games.

But props to Portland, a lot of ppl had zero expectations for them this year after seeing them get swept out of the playoffs in the first round the past two years. Yet they got all the way to the WC Finals, even with their starting center/third-option out with a broken leg... resilience.

They've got a lot of good things going on in terms of their backcourt, certain bench players (Curry, Hood), and their overall fighting spirit, just not sure how they'll be able to get over the hump and be able to take out GS or the Rockets when push comes to shove, that's all.

Also have to wonder if a Denver-GS series would've been better, in terms of Denver matching up a bit better vs the Warriors' personnel. GS has too many guys who can guard perimeter-shooters well (sorry Portland).
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I feel the same. Love watching them play when they're on. They play with class and no bs contact whining like harden. I can barely watch any game with the Rockets because Harden is such a mockery to the game.
 

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I feel the same. Love watching them play when they're on. They play with class and no bs contact whining like Harden. I can barely watch any game with the Rockets because Harden is such a mockery to the game.
Yeah, I hate Harden's overt 'foul-hunting' too. Throw up a three, and then kick out a leg or jump into the defender for the foul. It really is total bs.

But analytically, you can understand why he does it. Harden's an 85% free throw shooter, and if you get fouled on a three, you get three free throws. So, for every time he can get some dumb ref to bite and call the 'foul', he gets about 2.5 points out of it, on average. It's way better than even a wide-open three for him, since he obviously can't shoot those at an 85 percent clip (no one can).

Other than refs not being dumb, the only solution I can think of is for them to call an offensive foul in that situation. And why not? If you drive to the basket and run over someone outside of the restricted area, that's charging, aka an offensive foul. Why should a jump shot be any different, if the shooter's very obviously initiating contact?

To be fair to Harden, the rest of the league does a less obvious/obnoxious version of this, where you pump fake the defender into the air, and then jump into him while tossing up a shot (that you don't expect to go in). But that at least takes some tiny iota of skill, and I wouldn't mind if that got called an o-foul too.
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Yeah, I hate Harden's overt 'foul-hunting' too. Throw up a three, and then kick out a leg or jump into the defender for the foul. It really is total bs.

But analytically, you can understand why he does it. Harden's an 85% free throw shooter, and if you get fouled on a three, you get three free throws. So, for every time he can get some dumb ref to bite and call the 'foul', he gets about 2.5 points out of it, on average. It's way better than even a wide-open three for him, since he obviously can't shoot those at an 85 percent clip (no one can).

Other than refs not being dumb, the only solution I can think of is for them to call an offensive foul in that situation. And why not? If you drive to the basket and run over someone outside of the restricted area, that's charging, aka an offensive foul. Why should a jump shot be any different, if the shooter's very obviously initiating contact?

To be fair to Harden, the rest of the league does a less obvious/obnoxious version of this, where you pump fake the defender into the air, and then jump into him while tossing up a shot (that you don't expect to go in). But that at least takes some tiny iota of skill, and I wouldn't mind if that got called an o-foul too.
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I bet if you scoring adjust the league to remove free throw points that harden isn't top 10 in scoring. That's all I need to know. He seeks & sells contact which is a joke. There is nothing to respect about that game.
 

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And... Portland got swept, 4-0.

But it was actually a hard-fought series even so. GS was behind by as many as 17, 18, and 17 points in Games 2, 3, and 4, respectively. But fought back every time for the come-from-behind win. Which automatically brings up the expected "Heart of a CHAMPION!" shouts from all of the sports commentators.

But which makes me wonder, "How come they played so poorly in the first half of all those games to fall behind 17-18 points consistently to begin with?" Why is no one focusing on that?

IOW, maybe Milwaukee or Toronto in the Finals will be a tougher test than many are anticipating... unless Durant and/or Cousins do in fact get healthy in time.
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Wow, what's going on in the East?? The Conference Finals have actually turned into a series, with the Raptors winning three straight to take a 3-2 lead!!!

Is Canada actually on the verge of sending a team to the NBA Finals for the FIRST. TIME. EVER. ??

It may be a Sign of the Apocalypse™. Just sayin'. :eek:

Oh, and Kawhi Leonard is a basketball-playing cyborg. That is all.
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Wow, what's going on in the East?? The Conference Finals have actually turned into a series, with the Raptors winning three straight to take a 3-2 lead!!!

Is Canada actually on the verge of sending a team to the NBA Finals for the FIRST. TIME. EVER. ??

It may be a Sign of the Apocalypse™. Just sayin'. :eek:

Oh, and Kawhi Leonard is a basketball-playing cyborg. That is all.
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I was pretty damned shocked that Milwaukee lost at home after dropping two straight at Toronto, thought they would right the ship and take it in six. Now all bets are off. Kawhi still has that champion mentality that you have to learn, he has an edge for sure.
 

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Wow, what's going on in the East?? The Conference Finals have actually turned into a series, with the Raptors winning three straight to take a 3-2 lead!!!

Is Canada actually on the verge of sending a team to the NBA Finals for the FIRST. TIME. EVER. ??

It may be a Sign of the Apocalypse™. Just sayin'. :eek:

Oh, and Kawhi Leonard is a basketball-playing cyborg. That is all.
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Raptor defense has captured the series momentum from a young Bucks team.
 

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What a series for LA Kawhi. Alas, Frisco has too many horses for Toronto.

PS - Bucks did what most young teams do on the first playoff run --- get taken down by a tougher team.
 
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