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That's a great article. I can relate to this statement from that article...

Handlebars too low cause 90 percent of the discomfort people suffer. And buying a frame too small guarantees that the bars will be too low.
Well, unless you use something like a Nitto Technomic stem. Which Grant sells.
 

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I like reading threads like this to try and understand the different set-ups people have in relation to their own body measurements, because that is what affects fit. I use a 51-52 mens road bike, or 54 55ish women's. My bikes are on the large side for my height and inseam, (5'7'', 33.3" inseam), because I have to use a zero-offset seat post, effectively bringing the saddle forward 4-5 cm. That's a huge difference. Even that barely gets my knees over the pedals. Long tibias? Not sure. If I try a smaller bike, I have to raise the saddle even higher, which, of course increases the distance from the bars. On my bike, my saddle height is generally best at 73 cm from bb to top of the saddle. I've got 4.5 inches of actual seat-post showing, if you include the clamp, it's more like 6. And that is with a horizontal top tube.

If the smaller bikes truly fit better, then convert. If not, then don't. :)
 

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Well, unless you use something like a Nitto Technomic stem. Which Grant sells.
Looks like the Nitto Technomic "tall" version would do about the same that I accomplished with frame size to get my bars even with my saddle at 6'4". 64cm Specialized Roubaix has a generous 260mm Headtube length and the steerer tube was left long enough for me to play with stem position. Fit like a glove out of the box when I flipped the stem negative. After riding an 58cm Allez the past 7 years that had my hands way too low, is what I was responding to about being able to relate to the bars too low.

New 64cm Roubaix (which I guess, officially, has the center of BB to top of seat tube measurement of 60cm - which means I'm more than a fist full of seat post showing)...

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What an interesting resurrected thread from 3 years ago

I do not buy quite everything that the Rivendell people say but as said above it is a point of view that works for many people especially if they do not race though it does not slow you down as much as the full race guys will claim. That said, I have a Sam Hillborne and Soma San Marcos - two Rivendell bikes. The two bikes are actually very different. The Soma while not a screaming racer is a much more lively frame and much lighter it is my bike to ride for fun, exercise and mental health. The Sam is an absolute workhorse commuter, touring bike that is my full flat-bar retro grouch machine and the Soma has Campagnolo 10 speed flat-bar

Here is the thing as other have said it depends upon your physiology. I am just over 6 foot but have only a 32 inch inseam. I am built like a short Sasquatch with long arms, long torso and short legs and broad shoulders. When I walk I almost leave two foot prints and knuckle-drags. My nick-name in high school was Neanderthal (I hated my high school) So online fit kits don't really work for me. I had to ride a long time get the saddle height and bar/saddle distance right.

Now that I've revealed my goofy physiology. The most comfortable bike I currently own is the cheapest one. I have a reworked Mongoose X-Com which was originally a 7 speed. It was bought as a cheap bike to go a couple of miles to the grocery store something that I am not afraid to lock outside in the rain. It was a piece of garbage. The tires rubbed the fenders - which were nonadjustable - and they would blow off the rim when adding air because they were so lose on the rim. The bike also had a 48 tooth single chain ring which is too big for a utility bike. So dipping into the dead parts and a little help from Jenson USA I added a triple crank, new tires and wheels, a different seat post, flat rather than the swept back bars and a different saddle. I still only about $400.00 invested in the bike

This bike has a compact frame a shows nearly a foot of seat post. It weighs probably 40 pounds with the racks,bags and light. It also has the highest bars of any bike I own. It has an absolute Cadillac ride.

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I laughed so much reading the rivendell article. The author must have the flexibility of the Robax doll. He doesn't once mention lower back/core strength or flexibility. On my road bike I have ~17cm of saddle to bar drop and it's incredibly comfortable. The longest ride I've done on it was over 300km. At the end my back was completely pain free. Goes to show what a little core and stretching can do.
 

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I laughed so much reading the rivendell article. The author must have the flexibility of the Robax doll. He doesn't once mention lower back/core strength or flexibility. On my road bike I have ~17cm of saddle to bar drop and it's incredibly comfortable. The longest ride I've done on it was over 300km. At the end my back was completely pain free. Goes to show what a little core and stretching can do.
17cm! Ooooooooo....color me super impressed with your feat. But it means nothing...

I work my core 3 times a week, stretch, do yoga, race XC mountain bikes, train on the road bike - and feel completely comfortable and pain free whether I'm in the hoods, on the flats or down in the drops. Does it really matter that much to you if my bars are even with my saddle, above, slightly below on the road bike?

Do you feel that you are right with your 17cm saddle to bar drop, and Grant Rivendell - or anyone who does not ride with the AXX in the Air/Hands way down there position is wrong?

Lots of folks in the world out there riding and enjoying it who have a different position on the bike than you do. Now that's worth smiling about.:thumbsup:
 

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I laughed so much reading the rivendell article. The author must have the flexibility of the Robax doll. He doesn't once mention lower back/core strength or flexibility. On my road bike I have ~17cm of saddle to bar drop and it's incredibly comfortable. The longest ride I've done on it was over 300km. At the end my back was completely pain free. Goes to show what a little core and stretching can do.
Just how nerd-core have you gone to be bragging about your seat-to-bars drop? :skep:
 

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