Yes i know there have been threads about whats better and faster between tubulars and clinchers but i would like to know are a set of lets say clincher 404 compared to tubular 404's will there be that much of a difference in a crit race and lets say nothing with extreme mountain goat 200+ max HR hills. Is a clincher that big of a difference.I see a lot of crits with riders winning on clinchers and nothing fancy so why would 100 - 200 grams make them heavy when compared to tubulars when a good set of carbon aero clinchers weigh around the same as an avg pair of clincher rims (give or take 20 - 50 grams). Again this is a question on clinchers aero wheels used for racing and lets not get technical with the professors out there who want to give me the a whole numbers multiplied by the wind and the price of fish in china during a race. Just curious how good or bad are clincher aero wheels(50mm - 58mm). As i am writing this i'm thinking the must be an easier and shorter way to ask this question so i am sorry for rambling on.