Road Bike, Cycling Forums banner
1 - 18 of 18 Posts

·
Not a climber
Joined
·
1,312 Posts
Totally insane how drivers treat cyclists as less than human. Could you imagine being in line at a store and the person in front of you is counting out their cash too slow, and you just shoot them in the stomach and walk away. Maybe they will die, maybe they won't, but that's what they get for holding up your day. Basically the same thing.

The driver that hit me also drove off as if nothing happened. It's a pretty helpless feeling when you know they won't suffer any consequences for causing you physical harm.
 

·
δanned
Joined
·
7,005 Posts
Totally insane how drivers treat cyclists as less than human. Could you imagine being in line at a store and the person in front of you is counting out their cash too slow, and you just shoot them in the stomach and walk away. Maybe they will die, maybe they won't, but that's what they get for holding up your day. Basically the same thing.

The driver that hit me also drove off as if nothing happened. It's a pretty helpless feeling when you know they won't suffer any consequences for causing you physical harm.
The laws are finally starting to change in our favor, albeit at an excruciatingly slow pace. The other side of the coin is getting these laws enforced (i.e. minimum passing distance). This is a big reason why I beat the dead horse of recommending cameras. When you have video evidence the cops are much more likely to investigate and prosecute.
 

·
Avid smart-ass
Joined
·
67 Posts
Even with the laws changing, it will unfortunately take more than a few reckless drivers being made an example of and paying a high price in some manner, before drivers will wake up and drive responsibly.
 

·
Banned forever.....or not
Joined
·
24,426 Posts
The comments in the news articles are pretty sad....I guess that it proves that Americans aren't much different than Afghan Tribesmen....
 

·
Not a climber
Joined
·
1,312 Posts
minimum passing distance
An acquaintance on FB posted a picture he took of a "give cyclists 4 feet of space" sign, saying he didn't even know that was an actual law (North Carolina). Then a bunch of his friends commented and started the normal ***** fest about cyclists being *******s that hold up traffic and ride in the middle of the road and don't follow laws and should register their bikes and pay road taxes, etc. And no amount of casual conversation from an actual cyclist was going to change their mind. I got called a bunch of names and at least one dude generally threatened harm on the next cyclist he saw holding up traffic.

It's truly crazy the disconnect between general motorists and cyclists. And there is nothing we can do except either stop riding or continue to be in danger of *******s in cars.
 

·
δanned
Joined
·
7,005 Posts
and at least one dude generally threatened harm on the next cyclist he saw holding up traffic.
That isn't a good threat to make when NC allows open carry. That guy might end up being the unlucky sap who f**ks with a cyclist sporting a .45 ACP.
 

·
Banned Sock Puppet
Joined
·
14,437 Posts
The laws are finally starting to change in our favor, albeit at an excruciatingly slow pace. The other side of the coin is getting these laws enforced (i.e. minimum passing distance). This is a big reason why I beat the dead horse of recommending cameras. When you have video evidence the cops are much more likely to investigate and prosecute.
Not sure safe passing laws would be relevant when a driver deliberately with malice swerves in order to hit you.

And where would you mount the camera? I guess if you have it pointing back behind you, it would catch the plate number before he hits you (unless it's a state like PA that has no front plates). If pointed forward, well, that camera might hit the ground and be destroyed before it can capture a rear plate pic.

Not sure what the solution is other than to have much stiffer penalties for hit-and-run incidents. In some states, DWI carries stiffer penalties than hit-and-run. This encourages a drunk driver to flee the scene, so even if and when caught, he will probably pass a BAC test.
 

·
δanned
Joined
·
7,005 Posts
Not sure safe passing laws would be relevant when a driver deliberately with malice swerves in order to hit you.
The point of a minimum passing distance law is not to prevent close passing. It's to establish prima facie that the motorist was engaging in unsafe behavior, and it also levies another penalty in addition to whatever else they were doing. These laws don't prevent unsafe passing any more than speeding laws prevent speeding or murder laws prevent murder. They serve as a means of equitably punishing dangerous acts.

And where would you mount the camera? I guess if you have it pointing back behind you, it would catch the plate number before he hits you (unless it's a state like PA that has no front plates). If pointed forward, well, that camera might hit the ground and be destroyed before it can capture a rear plate pic.
The best setup is to buy two cameras and have one rear with one front/helmet. If you can't afford two, go with a helmet mount so you have a chance of at least facing the driver. In many situations the police won't do anything unless you can establish who operated the vehicle. A license plate alone is not enough to prosecute.

Not sure what the solution is other than to have much stiffer penalties for hit-and-run incidents. In some states, DWI carries stiffer penalties than hit-and-run. This encourages a drunk driver to flee the scene, so even if and when caught, he will probably pass a BAC test.
But it comes down to proving the act happened. Hence why cameras will help you. We can have life imprisonment for the smallest transgressions, but unless you can produce evidence of what and who, the punishments don't do any good.
 

·
Banned Sock Puppet
Joined
·
14,437 Posts
The point of a minimum passing distance law is not to prevent close passing. It's to establish prima facie that the motorist was engaging in unsafe behavior, and it also levies another penalty in addition to whatever else they were doing. These laws don't prevent unsafe passing any more than speeding laws prevent speeding or murder laws prevent murder. They serve as a means of equitably punishing dangerous acts.
Understood.

The best setup is to buy two cameras and have one rear with one front/helmet. If you can't afford two, go with a helmet mount so you have a chance of at least facing the driver. In many situations the police won't do anything unless you can establish who operated the vehicle. A license plate alone is not enough to prosecute.
If a plate number isn't enough to prosecute, we're all pretty much SOL. Face the driver? Unless he stops and gets out of the car, you're not getting a face. If a plate number can't prosecute, I doubt a make, model and color of car will either. My point is that if I get hit, I'm on the ground, the car is quickly moving away and the camera is pointing heaven knows where. Even if the camera is pointing backwards and you get an image before you get hit, you're still only getting a plate, make, model and color at best. I don't know of any cameras that can get a clear image of a face through a windshield.
 
1 - 18 of 18 Posts
Top