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mohair_chair said:
Jeeze, talk about your conspiracy theories...

to which end? Its pretty clear from the BBC piece that the $ greased the skids for the entrance of keirin into the games and I'm certainly not the first to suggest that LA's large cash donation to UCI bought him a powerful ally. either/both were inappropriate by any reasonable standard.
 

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And the two are similar how?
You would have to be willing to ignore alot to not see the obvious pattern of Quid Pro Quo at the UCI.

Jesus Manzano said that it was not just his team that received advanced notice of OCC but the Postal Doctors received this as well....certainly this had nothing to do with the Lance's $500,000 "Donation" :idea:

The Keirin association got what it paid for. With your limited knowledge of cycling I would not expect you to understand that the Keirin does not belong in the Olympics. It has little to do with cycling and is all about Gambling. What's next? Is FEI going to invite Big Brown and friends to race at Sha Tin next week?

Sylvia Schenk is being proven correct, the UCI is riddled with conflicts of interest.
 

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bigpinkt said:
The Keirin association got what it paid for. With your limited knowledge of cycling I would not expect you to understand that the Keirin does not belong in the Olympics. It has little to do with cycling and is all about Gambling. What's next? Is FEI going to invite Big Brown and friends to race at Sha Tin next week?
Wow, once again you read an article and suddenly you're an expert. Not very impressive.
 

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The obvious question is where did the money end up. I place my bets on Verbruggen taking a large cut for himself.

There are rumors that the UCI has been running a shakedown operation as far as teams and doping go. It would explain why riders on a team like Phonak could not piss in a cup without causing a positive while other teams that are obviously doped to the gills never got caught. McQuaid damns Landis in the press even as he assures the public that Contador is clean. The situation looks very fishy.

Recently it was reported that a lab was offering to make a B sample negative for a 100K euros.

I think the UCI and its array of peripheral organizations are totally corrupt.
 

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Recently it was reported that a lab was offering to make a B sample negative for a 100K euros.

I think the UCI and its array of peripheral organizations are totally corrupt.
If the story about the lab is true, then:

1. This story is about corrupt labs, and has nothing to do with the UCI. The labs are associated with WADA, not the UCI. The UCI may be corrupt, but it only hires the labs for testing (as mandated by WADA).

2. It certainly raises serious credibility issues with the drug testing labs, and validates the questions that some posters here have gotten ridiculed for. If someone is going to pay 100K for a false B sample, that's a strong incentive for the lab to generate positive A samples by any means necessary.
 

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mohair_chair said:
If the story about the lab is true, then:

The labs are associated with WADA, not the UCI. The UCI may be corrupt, but it only hires the labs for testing (as mandated by WADA).
Nope,

The UCI still has its own lab (in Geneva) and uses others as well. They run testing for the Bio Passport and they do plenty of special projects, like the "Men in Black" and the tests that caught Kash last year.. Since the UCI is currently suing WADA the testing has splintered into multiple groups (WADA, ASO, Regional Fed, UCI)
 

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WADA really came into its own starting with the 2004 uniform doping regulations and the run up to the 2004 Olympics. The head of one of the four Spanish labs, the one responsible for random OOC testing, was passing on information to the Kelme and U.S. Postal doctors before 2004. There likely is a long history of corruption in some labs. It is likely that the problems of the past live on today.

It is interesting that during the Tour the AFLD was able to get results in a week. It was always odd to see the UCI release a doping positive in August for a test that was failed in March. That always made one wonder what was going on in the months in between. It never smelled right.
 

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mohair_chair said:
2. It certainly raises serious credibility issues with the drug testing labs, and validates the questions that some posters here have gotten ridiculed for. If someone is going to pay 100K for a false B sample, that's a strong incentive for the lab to generate positive A samples by any means necessary.
It could just be a matter of opportunism. If the whole system is corrupt and people and organizations are taking money under the table at various points in the process then it becomes easy for a lab, when presented with an opening, to decide they want to get their piece of the action.

A better plan than creating positive A samples would seem to be taking money to make sure that no A samples tested positive.
 

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bigpinkt said:
a more in depth report.

The UCI is a mess.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/documentaries/2008/07/080725_secrets_blood_2.shtml

Yet another UCI board member that says that the UCI can not be trusted....
Gregorio Moreno, who ran against McQuaid in the last UCI election, said he believes the UCI has covered up or released doping positives depending on whether it viewed the riders or their teams as friends or enemies.

Poor Landis should have never pissed off the UCI by demanding his salary from the UCI bank guarantees when Noble House folded.

The UCI is corrupt, and their dope testing has been a fraud.
 

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Under ACrookedSky said:
Gregorio Moreno, who ran against McQuaid in the last UCI election, said he believes the UCI has covered up or released doping positives depending on whether it viewed the riders or their teams as friends or enemies.

Poor Landis should have never pissed off the UCI by demanding his salary from the UCI bank guarantees when Noble House folded.

The UCI is corrupt, and their dope testing has been a fraud.

Yup....

Money talks and big money YELLS...but you are :mad2: trying to wake up some posters on this forum.

Cheers
 
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