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Clearly Contador won only by the bad luck of Andy's chain drop. Have there been any other winners whose winning margin was due (or so clearly due?) to something other than their out-riding their competitors?
I can't see where a guy who can't even win a stage is superior. His only superiority is in unethical behavior.sir duke said:Or was it because of Cadel's wrist injury, or LA's inability to stay upright, oh, Wiggo could have won it if he hadn't been so mediocre. If he coulda he woulda. You going for a 700 post thread matey? Well done both of them, it was a close tour but I can't see where Schleck was demonstrably superior in any way.
Wasn't asking about runners up, only about previous winners whose win was for something other than riding.sir duke said:Or was it because of Cadel's wrist injury,..
i think the point was contador wasn't demonstrably superior in any waysir duke said:Or was it because of Cadel's wrist injury, or LA's inability to stay upright, oh, Wiggo could have won it if he hadn't been so mediocre. If he coulda he woulda. You going for a 700 post thread matey? Well done both of them, it was a close tour but I can't see where Schleck was demonstrably superior in any way.
Hark, the sound of a dead horse being flogged.matchmaker said:I can't see where a guy who can't even win a stage is superior. His only superiority is in unethical behavior.
What does this have to do with the question I asked?LostViking said:Shades of the I love Lance/Hate Conti threads of the past.
Just replace "Lance" with "Andy" and there is no need for more threads like this.
Conti won. Time to move on to next year's TdF!
Right off the bat, he only won because of Andy's chain drop? You don't think he would have taken the stage up the Tourmelet if things were different? That was a gift to Andy. While they were pretty even up the mountains, I do believe Contador could have taken the time necessary to win at some point regardless of that stage. Just my 2 cents.InfiniteLoop said:Clearly Contador won only by the bad luck of Andy's chain drop. Have there been any other winners whose winning margin was due (or so clearly due?) to something other than their out-riding their competitors?
Of these LeMond over Fignon might be the closest, though I see a difference in an advantage based on employing superior legal technology and an advantage based on a competitors misfortune. Mental superiority is very much a part of all athletics and is part of competition. Personally I'd rate mishaps in TT's differently (and likewise, if the yellow jersey or any other very direct competitor had already been off the back of the group or was a group behind)matchmaker said:... Merckx once won the tour against Ocaña when the latter was the better rider. Lemond won the tour in an incredible last TT because fignon did not use an aerodynamic helmet, neither a triathlon steer. Lance won about 2 tours by his own admission because of mental superiority over the others. Certainly Ulrich could have won a tour on LA, but repeated falls in TT and bad descents decided otherwise.
Schleck wasn't better than Contador, Contador took some more time in the TT today, ergo the best man won (or slightly better man).InfiniteLoop said:Clearly Contador won only by the bad luck of Andy's chain drop. Have there been any other winners whose winning margin was due (or so clearly due?) to something other than their out-riding their competitors?
Eddy Merckxtconrady said:I can't remember who it was....but I believe a rider was assaulted by a fan that affected the outcome. I believe it was one of the greats who one 5 tours and it kept them from a 6th....I think. Or it could be a bad week to quit sniffing glue!![]()
Refers to the rest of your post...not your loaded question.InfiniteLoop said:What does this have to do with the question I asked?
I think Contador would have it he could. He wanted to prove that his final victory in Paris was by more than any gains from Andy's chain drop and he wanted to win a stage. At least after following Andy all the way up he didn't try to sprint around (which I assume he could have) for the win.nOOky said:Right off the bat, he only won because of Andy's chain drop? You don't think he would have taken the stage up the Tourmelet if things were different? That was a gift to Andy. While they were pretty even up the mountains, I do believe Contador could have taken the time necessary to win at some point regardless of that stage. Just my 2 cents.
I don't see it as clearly as you do. Things being different more likely Contador would have at least got a second or two, at a minimum, in the sprint at the top of the Tourmalet and still beat Schleck.InfiniteLoop said:Clearly Contador won only by the bad luck of Andy's chain drop. Have there been any other winners whose winning margin was due (or so clearly due?) to something other than their out-riding their competitors?