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This Ishmael stuff got me thinking... Check out these examples of trolling from Wikipedia. Sorry about formatting problems.

One-shot trolls

One-shot troll messages are intended to be disruptive, and tend to be very obvious to ensure that they will receive annoyed replies.
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Disruptive trolls

* Off topic messages: Those that are irrelevant to the focus of the forum.
* Page widening: Filling up fields with large pictures or characters to make previous posts unreadable.
* Offensive media: Annoying sound files or disturbing pictures in a message, or linking to shock sites that contain such media. Often these links are disguised as legitimate links.
* Inflammatory messages, including racist comments.
* Opinionated statements: Posting messages expressing their own opinions as generally accepted facts without offering any proof or analysis.
* Deliberately revealing the ending of a recent popular movie or book.
* Bumping an old discussion, or rehashing a highly controversial past topic, particularly in smaller online communities.
* Deliberate and repeated misspelling of other people's nicks in order to disturb or irritate them in a conversation.
* Promising nonexistent pornography to people who post in the forum, producing an interminable flood of "please send" messages (especially common in the alt.sex Usenet heirarchy in the mid-1990s) [5] [6]

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Attention-seeking trolls

This class of trolls seeks to obtain as many responses as possible and to absorb a disproportionate amount of the collective attention span.

* Advertising another forum, especially a rival or a hated forum.
* Claiming to be someone they cannot possibly be: "As an actual, real-life samurai, I have some problems with (the film The Seven Samurai)."
* No longer having affiliation to or current knowledge of the subject at hand, yet, continually posting opinions and commentary as "experts".
* Messages containing an obvious flaw or error: "I think 2001: A Space Odyssey is Roman Polanski's best movie."
* Asking for help with an implausable task or problem "How do I season my Crock Pot? I don't want everything cooked in it to taste the same."
* Intentionally naive questions: "Can I use olive oil instead of water, when cooking pasta?"
* Messages containing a self referential appeals to status. "Evian is bottled water for white trash. I prefer Dasani water imported from Italy."
* Intentionally posting an outrageous argument, deliberately constructed around a fundamental but obfuscated flaw or error. Often the poster will become defensive when the argument is refuted, but may instead continue the thread through the use of further flawed arguments; this is referred to as "feeding" the troll.
* A subclass of the above is the flawed proof of an important unsolved mathematical problem or impossibility (e.g. 1 = 2); however, these may not always be troll-posts, and are sometimes, at least, mathematically interesting.
* Politically contentious messages: "I think George W. Bush is the best/worst President ever."
* Posting politically sensitive images in inappropriate places.
* Pretending to be innocent, after a flamewar ensues.
* Off-topic complaints about personal life, or threats of suicide: sometimes, this is the "cry for help" troll.
* Plural or paranoid answers to personal opinions expressed by individuals: "I don't believe that all of you really believe that, you are teaming against me."
* Paramour trolls get a thrill from establishing serial online affairs with females of a group. This incites public rivalry among the women who once thought the nicknames, poetry, love statements were exclusive to them. Since the online love affair is developed separately in chat programs, it takes a long time for the online cat-fight to be detected.
* Any combination of the above: For example, a troll will combine inflammatory statements with poor grammar and AIM-speak (which is also known as "netspeak" or "chatspeak"). "lmfao u are so weak minded and predictablei thought i wan iggied i play ya like a card"

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Other examples

Some trolls may denounce a particular religion in a religion newsgroup, though historically, this would have been called "flamebait". Like those who engage in flaming, self-proclaimed or alleged Internet trolls sometimes resort to innuendoes or misdirections in the pursuit of their objectives. It is possible to distinguish between comments that are flamebait and as a result of trolling as flames have the intent of being anti-social and offensive and trolling comments have the intent of provoking a reaction, though trolling comments may also be perceived as being anti-social comments, although that may not have been the intent of the author.

A variant of the second variety (inflammatory messages) involves posting content obviously severely contradictory to the (stated or unstated) focus of the group or forum; for example, posting cat meat recipes on a pet lovers forum, posting evolutionary theory on a creationist forum (or vice versa), or posting messages about how all dragons are boring in the USENET group alt.fan.dragons.

The "sock puppet" troll often enters a forum using several different identities. As postings from one identity attract increasingly critical comment from other forum members, the troll enters the forum using a second identity in support of the first. The troll may even use postings from the second identity to criticise those from the first in order to develop credibility on the forum.

Cross-posting is a popular method of choice by Usenet trolls: a cross-posted article can be discussed simultaneously in several unrelated and/or opposing newsgroups; this is likely to result in a flame war. For instance, an anti-fast food flame bait might be cross-posted to healthy eating groups, environmentalist groups, animal rights groups, as well as a totally off-topic artificial intelligence newsgroup.

An example of a successful troll is the well-known "Oh how I envy American students" USENET thread which had 3,000-odd follow-ups. A new USENET newsgroup, "alt.genius.bill-palmer", was created by Igor Chudov for the purpose of creating an outlet for discussing a controversial USENET personality, Bill Palmer, himself an alleged USENET troll who managed to make his personality the center of all discussions. A swirl of messages attempting to disprove his alleged status as genius, cross-posted to hell and back, made "a.g.b-p", the most popular new "alt.*" newsgroup of the year. Its creator was nominated for the "Troll of the Year 1996" award.
 

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Whatever anyone thinks about Ishy he is the King of Trolls to me--as far as I know he's never broken character so that leaves an infintesimal chance that he might actually be legit and confused by the strange reception he gets here.
 

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Hmmm, got me thinking...

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Disruptive trolls

* Off topic messages: Those that are irrelevant to the focus of the forum.

Does that make me a troll, or is the whole NCD board trolling on RBR (however dead it is w/out NCD)?

Confused. Help. Please.

Michael
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there is no such thing as trolling in NCD. this is another planet.
 

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hmmm..

haiku d'etat said:
there is no such thing as trolling in NCD. this is another planet.
Did they ban ishmael, it now says banned under his name in the profile, similar to AJS....enquiring minds want to know...J's any thoughts?
 

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physasst said:
Did they ban ishmael, it now says banned under his name in the profile, similar to AJS....enquiring minds want to know...J's any thoughts?
i hope not, but maybe so. i'm not a mod anymore, but if memory serves, it would either say "banned" under his name, or all of his posts would be gone.

sad.
 

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Ishy's gone?

"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die"
 

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RocketDog said:
"There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die"
he was a breakdancing english teacher. i mourn his loss.
 

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i hope that if Ishy is reading and feeling down because of his crappy banning and rejected from these forums that he keeps his head up, no not that head well willard to should go up in bibs and continue striving for his ultimate goal of being the fastest diabolical handlebar smashing three hand zit poking pant removing cycling poet genius to ever be.

RIP Ishmael
 

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RocketDog said:
i hope that if Ishy is reading and feeling down because of his crappy banning and rejected from these forums that he keeps his head up, no not that head well willard to should go up in bibs and continue striving for his ultimate goal of being the fastest diabolical handlebar smashing three hand zit poking pant removing cycling poet genius to ever be.

RIP Ishmael
i'm spilling a little beer right now on the carpet, for a lost homie.

wee miss you, The Ishy!
 

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Keep in mind that, even if the Ishmael account was banned, he could have had another account that he was allowed to keep, whether moderators knew it or not. Since mods can check IP addresses, I would expect them to know if he had other accounts or a "real" account unless he really went out of his way with proxies and so forth. I'm also not sure how strict they may be here about having multiple accounts. Some boards frown on it more than others and some don't mind at all.
 

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Speedy Rabbit?

Damn bunny suited one! -- did you just edit this? I know it said something else.......
 

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nate said:
Keep in mind that, even if the Ishmael account was banned, he could have had another account that he was allowed to keep, whether moderators knew it or not. Since mods can check IP addresses, I would expect them to know if he had other accounts or a "real" account unless he really went out of his way with proxies and so forth. I'm also not sure how strict they may be here about having multiple accounts. Some boards frown on it more than others and some don't mind at all.
if coolio or hoo thought he was trolling, that's the first thing they would check. remember, i was a moderator for how long? they'd search against same or similar ip addresses and act accordingly.
 
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