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So, looks like a lot of the US-based companies (ie Cannondale, Specialized, Trek) have adopted BB30.

Do you think we will see more of the European companies (ie Colnago, Orbea, Look) adopt BB30 in the near future?

Originally i thought not, but a friend of mine reminded me that the European companies might be holding out since Campagnolo is reluctant to adopt BB30...just like they were reluctant to adopt outboard bearing BBs in the recent past.

So, does BB30 become an industry standard?
 

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I certainly believe it will. You have Cannondale first, followed by (in no particular order) Full Speed Ahead, SRAM, and Specialized all making the cranksets. As far as I know, Cannondale and Specialized are the only frame makers (so far) that offer BB30 compatible frames.

I'm anxious to see if Campy/Shimano develop compatible cranks. I think if just one of them does, more frame frame companies will follow :)

https://www.bb30standard.com/index.html

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P.S. How can this not make you smile? ;)
 

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more widely available, perhaps/likely/inevitable... pick one

but a standard? no... there has never been a standard, prob never will be. ISIS was gonna be the mtn bike standard, and where is it now?
 

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As far as I know, Cannondale and Specialized are the only frame makers (so far) that offer BB30 compatible frames.
Van Dessel is making them. There is a boutique builder called Form that offers BB30 as an option.

I'm sure the list will grow. I am just as sure that I won't be "upgrading". Crank price inflation has been ridiculous these last few years. I sure wish people would stop falling for these ploys.
 

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Van Dessel is making them. There is a boutique builder called Form that offers BB30 as an option.

I'm sure the list will grow. I am just as sure that I won't be "upgrading". Crank price inflation has been ridiculous these last few years. I sure wish people would stop falling for these ploys.
1/3 of a pound dropped off your bike is not a ploy to people who are concerned about weight. From what I've seen from your posts, I doubt your one, but I don't think you represent the average of the buying public. I think it is an interesting concept. It seems to be undersized, considering the size of bottom brackets (especially on carbon frames) these days. But dropping a significant amount of weight while narrowing q-factor it really doesn't seem to have a disadvantage, besides the price of course :D.
 

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I'm with FatFred on this one. It's going to be more widely available, but not quite a standard yet. The standard BBs of today have BBs made by Shimano and Campagnolo. It's going to take, at least, one of those companies to start making a BB30 before we can say that it is a standard.
 

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It IS a "standard." It is a standard that has already been adopted by Cannondale, SRAM, and FSA (Full Speed Ahead) - so far (http://www.bb30standard.com/links.html). It's also offered on some of the higher-end Specialized bikes as of this year. Now, is it as popular or selling as much as the other bottom bracket standards? Of course not.

I believe SRAM making the Red in BB30 (and I believe I read there will be a 2010 Force BB30 crank as well) was the first huge step to this standard becoming more widely used (adopted). I believe Specialized now offering the S-WORKS BB30 cranks is also another clear sign that more and more companies will be adopting the standard.

I also don't believe that the other current BB standards will be going anywhere either. We're all consumers though, aren't we? We LOVE choices! :D

Now I'll certainly agree - about 900 bucks for cranks and bb - pretty crazy. I bought USED C'Dale Hollowgram Si SL cranks/bb last month for 500 bucks - again, crazy!

Anyone want to take a stab at the next major frame maker that'll offer a high end BB30 bike? I vote Trek (wild guess). How about which component manufacturer will come out with the next BB30 cranks? (Shimano or Campy?)
 

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i believe that it's a positive change. it's really a good system as long as the tolerances are good from the manufacturer. i have had nothing but good experiences with the system over the last few years.

(i have only had experience with the cannondale bb30's)
 

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It IS a "standard." It is a standard that has already been adopted by Cannondale, SRAM, and FSA (Full Speed Ahead) - so far (http://www.bb30standard.com/links.html). It's also offered on some of the higher-end Specialized bikes as of this year. Now, is it as popular or selling as much as the other bottom bracket standards? Of course not.

I believe SRAM making the Red in BB30 (and I believe I read there will be a 2010 Force BB30 crank as well) was the first huge step to this standard becoming more widely used (adopted). I believe Specialized now offering the S-WORKS BB30 cranks is also another clear sign that more and more companies will be adopting the standard.

I also don't believe that the other current BB standards will be going anywhere either. We're all consumers though, aren't we? We LOVE choices! :D

Now I'll certainly agree - about 900 bucks for cranks and bb - pretty crazy. I bought USED C'Dale Hollowgram Si SL cranks/bb last month for 500 bucks - again, crazy!

Anyone want to take a stab at the next major frame maker that'll offer a high end BB30 bike? I vote Trek (wild guess). How about which component manufacturer will come out with the next BB30 cranks? (Shimano or Campy?)

Sorry, but just because it is marketed as a standard does not make it so.
 

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Sorry, but just because it is marketed as a standard does not make it so.
It IS a standard. The question is, will it be a successful and lasting one? :idea:

Just because a standard appears, and is rejected, does not mean it wasn't a standard. It's just a standard that 'didn't make it'. History is littered with 'em.

Was Betamax not a standard just 'cuz it failed?
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It IS a standard. The question is, will it be a successful and lasting one? :idea:

Just because a standard appears, and is rejected, does not mean it wasn't a standard. It's just a standard that 'didn't make it'. History is littered with 'em.

Was Betamax not a standard just 'cuz it failed?
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Correct, Betamax was not a standard either.
 

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I believe that Trek and few other makers are trying another standard- BB86. It's basically just like standard outboard bearings that are pressed in to the frame vs cups that are screwed in.
 

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Come on now, let's employ some intelligence here.

BB30 is indeed a standard, in that it is a specific design to which shells are manufactured by various manufacturers. In that regard, it is no different to the BSC bottom bracket design standard or the ITA bottom bracket design.

It may not be, nor evolve to be, THE market standard such that it supercedes all other available bb design standards, in that it comes to dominate the market to the point that consumers think of it as the default bb design option, but that doesn't mean it isn't a standard in the engineering and design sense.
 

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I don't think we'll see Campy producing a BB30 "standard" crank anytime soon. For '09 they have UT/OS cups that adapt their current UT models to a BB30 shell.

And if memory serves me right, Pinarello has been producing BB30 "standard" frames for a couple of years now.
 

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Come on now, let's employ some intelligence here.

BB30 is indeed a standard, in that it is a specific design to which shells are manufactured by various manufacturers. In that regard, it is no different to the BSC bottom bracket design standard or the ITA bottom bracket design.

It may not be, nor evolve to be, THE market standard such that it supercedes all other available bb design standards, in that it comes to dominate the market to the point that consumers think of it as the default bb design option, but that doesn't mean it isn't a standard in the engineering and design sense.

Oh. Well ok. I guess if you wanna say it like that then yeah. It's not THE market standard, but it's like a kind of standard.
 

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What are the licensing fees? I am sure they are unreasonably high like tubeless which will inhibit adoption and also have Trek making their own. A real standard would just be a spec and basically be free to use.
 

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Who cares if it's an industry standard or not? The option is supported by 3 crank manufacturers soon to be 5 (Shimano and 3T). If the judge of a "standard" is by it's widespread acceptance then the Italian BB is going the way of the Dodo and for a long time it was the "standard".

It's a different system, it works well, and it is a significant improvement over what is currently out both in terms of weight and stiffness.

Cannondale has been making it since the CAAD7 at least (maybe the 6) and prior to that the "1st generation" was on the downhill and mountain bikes. It's not as if it just came about. The Evil S adopted it after the engineer who designed it went to the darkside from Cannondale in about 2002 ish I think.

Campy will likely never do until one of the big Italian brands goes BB30. Judging by the rate at which they have adopted new stuff (English BBs, integrated HS, threadless forks) it'll be sometime in past 2020 by the time you see and Italian BB30 frame :lol:. I hope I'm wrong.

By in large, the bike industry is an awful example of standardization

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...the bike industry is an awful example of standardization

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I continually wish that the players in the bike industry would get together and create more standards (or get rid of more standards as the case may be). I cannot agree with your statement at all, however. When was the last time you could buy a part from Chrysler and put it on a Chevy? When was the last time you could buy a part for a Ducati and put it on a Harley? While I crave a 31.8 handlebar standard across the board, for example, it is still amazing that you can buy a custom frame from whoever you want and have literally hundreds of thousands of component choices from manufacturers all over the world. It may not be perfect, but it's not "an awful example of standardization."
 
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