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not really a Porsche fanboi, but if you're leery of the Boxster being douchey, maybe a Cayman S would be less so...not sure tho.

you mostly need to pick a type of vehicle, you're kinda all over the place with a sports car vs lux sedan.
 

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Besides being a (veeery sexy) wagon it's over the OP's $80k pricetag. And WAY over mine.

We settled for a 2017 VW Alltrack and have been really happy with it so far.
Many E63S wagons are coming off lease. I believe Youtuber Doug DeMuro bought one. Me personally would not purchase a new one,
 

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Me and Sogno have test-driven an Alfa-Romeo Giulia a couple times and are absolutely smitten. Not the Quadrifoglio, either, just the bread-and-butter model. It's in fierce competition with the Audi A4 to replace our aging Three Series Bimmer. The reason for the indecision is that the Audi, though not quite as visceral & alluring as the Alfa, is absolutely impeccably turned out and will probably be more reliable.
 

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Many E63S wagons are coming off lease. I believe Youtuber Doug DeMuro bought one. Used would be the way to go for me.
Correct, and Mercedes has one of the better CPO programs. used to be remainder of warranty (which was 5 years 60k when I bought my CPO C63 in 2010), an additional year and up to 100000k miles. Now I believe it is an additional year unlimited mileage (within reason, read the small print, walking in with 200k miles on the clock will not work). I would have to check that though. I traded my C63 in a year ago.

An off lease E63 S on CPO though, will probably still be over 80k. I found 1 or 2 in my search earlier, CPO but with higher than I would like mileage.
 

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not really a Porsche fanboi, but if you're leery of the Boxster being douchey, maybe a Cayman S would be less so...not sure tho.

you mostly need to pick a type of vehicle, you're kinda all over the place with a sports car vs lux sedan.
I am not a Porsche fan (except the 918, and of course the 911 RS or GT3).

The Boxster is a crappy poor mans Porsche, and the design is iffy to me. If you had to get one, get the GTS, it's a phenomenal performer, and will leave a smile on your face if you can get past the looks.
 

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There are lots of choices you need to narrow down what you want from the car. Audi S or RS variants, Mercedes AMG, BMW M, Jag, Porsche. All fit the bill. If you want a drivers car. Tesla is just Tesla. Corvette is either you love or hate but not up to quality of the German choices. Porsche any of the models are fine if you 2013 or newer. Boxster/Cayman really improved with that release. 911s are well 911s. You have lots of research ahead.


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Audi TT RS - $65K and classy, sporty, great looks

yeah but the Vegas yellow for the win. Probably the best performance per dollar out there. Sports cars do lose their novelty quickly when things like friends, luggage and biking are a factor.
 

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Correct, and Mercedes has one of the better CPO programs. used to be remainder of warranty (which was 5 years 60k when I bought my CPO C63 in 2010), an additional year and up to 100000k miles. Now I believe it is an additional year unlimited mileage (within reason, read the small print, walking in with 200k miles on the clock will not work). I would have to check that though. I traded my C63 in a year ago.

An off lease E63 S on CPO though, will probably still be over 80k. I found 1 or 2 in my search earlier, CPO but with higher than I would like mileage.
Since I believe the OP is not looking for a wagon, the E63S sedan would fit better and be within his budget. Classy, sporty and luxury and won't be just another Tesla on the road in the Bay area.

Here's one in Maryland: https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/cpo/...DN/class-E/model-E63W4S/vin-WDDHF7GB0GB216405

I still lust over the wagon though.
 

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Since I believe the OP is not looking for a wagon, the E63S sedan would fit better and be within his budget. Classy, sporty and luxury and won't be just another Tesla on the road in the Bay area.

Here's one in Maryland: https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/cpo/...DN/class-E/model-E63W4S/vin-WDDHF7GB0GB216405

I still lust over the wagon though.
If only I did not have a kid... or a wife.. or two mortgages.. I could live in that car... right... :)
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How about a Cadillac ATS-V or CTS-V. Should hit both the sporty & luxury criteria.
See post #8. But, thanks for the rec.
 

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I've always gotten the vibe that Boxsters were the sort of "entry level" Porsche...the mid-life crisis car that your daughter's orthodontist buys just to say he has a Porsche, but wants it to drive like his wife's Honda Accord. In other words, if you're looking for a fun car to drive, my gut says to avoid that particular model.
The Macan is actually now the entry-level Porsche... they're about $10K cheaper than the Boxster/Cayman. Though I wonder if Porsche is diluting their brand by bringing out a sub-$50K car (SUV, technically).


Check out the Panamera, though I'm not sure on the pricetag of that vehicle.
It's probably on my list, I do like what I see there. But it is a hair above my preferred budget. Probably more than a hair, given Porsche's usual 'you need $10K in options to get the car you really want' silliness.


We'd get fired if we went more than a block out of the way...plus, we were supposed to keep it under 5mph, so going 25mph and taking it around the block was as "wild" as we got on a joyride. And, it could be completely written off as being in bad traffic and wanting to take a route with slightly fewer cars :D
LOLZ. And, too bad.

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Me and Sogno have test-driven an Alfa-Romeo Giulia a couple times and are absolutely smitten. Not the Quadrifoglio, either, just the bread-and-butter model. It's in fierce competition with the Audi A4 to replace our aging Three Series Bimmer. The reason for the indecision is that the Audi, though not quite as visceral & alluring as the Alfa, is absolutely impeccably turned out and will probably be more reliable.
Have heard incredibly good things about the Giulia.

But, like you, the probable show-stopper for me would be the anticipated reliability. As in, total lack thereof. :(

Audi A4 is indeed nice, but I keep hearing the bigger Audis are where it's at?

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You need to decide what you really want.

If you want fast, you would be hard pressed to find something faster for that sort of money than a C7 Corvette Z06. They are often pretty heavily discounted these days, but hang with exotics costing 3-4x as much. However, a Corvette isn't going to get you much street cred, nor is it really all that interesting of a car at the end of the day.

If you want the speed of the Corvette but want something rare and exotic looking that will make car guys go nuts, look into a Rossion Q1, Noble M400, Ultima GTR, or Superlight SL-C. These are kit cars or semi-kit cars that look wild and exotic, are blisteringly fast, but will be rather rough around the edges and spartan compared to a production car.

If you'd just like something that makes people go "wow", $80k will get you into a Ferrari 360 or 430, a Lambo Gallardo, or an Audi R8. Maintenance will be quite expensive, but you won't see significant depreciation.

If you want to look like a connoisseur/collector, you need to go vintage. I believe $80k still buys a nice Jag E-type. An Alfa Duetto in mint condition should come in a bit under your budget. Some may argue that air-cooled Porsches (pre 1998) are in a bit of a bubble, but I think they are all pretty much classics at this point.

For luxury, Model S is a really cool car to drive, but it's more techy than luxurious (other than being quiet). Honestly, this is probably the best option if you are just looking for "treat yo-self" instead of car-guy fantasy.

$80k will get you into a pretty recent S-class if you want pure luxury, but the depreciation + maintenance will make such a car more expensive than your sports car options.
 

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Audi A4 is indeed nice, but I keep hearing the bigger Audis are where it's at?]
It's just my opinion but around here A4s are as common as Outbacks and that makes them seem like "ho-hum" cars. Shoot, even the high school kids are rolling around in older ones with obnoxious exhaust "upgrades".

The only S4 that I've seen belonged to my coworker who bought it used with 99k miles - I'm sure you won't make the same mistake. It was an awesome car but he couldn't afford the 100k service it needed two months after he bought it (he wasn't much of a thinker regarding $).

I do occasionally see an S5 in town (and an R8, for that matter) and that thing looks bad-a**!
 

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I've always gotten the vibe that Boxsters were the sort of "entry level" Porsche...the mid-life crisis car that your daughter's orthodontist buys just to say he has a Porsche, but wants it to drive like his wife's Honda Accord. In other words, if you're looking for a fun car to drive, my gut says to avoid that particular model. Check out the Panamera, though I'm not sure on the pricetag of that vehicle.
Your gut is wrong in this case. Being light and mid-engined, the Boxter/Cayman (same car, Boxter is the convertible) is going to be much more fun to drive than a Panamera (which is a heavy luxury car rather than a sports car) or even a 911 (which has gotten bigger and heavier over the years). Many Porsche fans feel that Porsche intentionally hobbles the power output in the Boxter/Cayman platform to keep it below the 911 even though it is the superior chassis/layout. You will see plenty of Boxters and Caymans at an autocross or trackday (i.e. the people who actually drive their cars to the limit), but I've never seen a Panamera at a trackday or autocross except as a tow vehicle (they do have surprisingly good towing abilities).

A Cayman GT4 can be found for around $90k and won't depreciate anything like a new Cayman/Boxter- it may actually be cheaper in the long run if you plan on owning the car for a while. It's one of the last of the naturally aspirated high output motors from Porche and many consider it to be one of the best driver's cars ever made.
 

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There's a ton of cars out there. Head to your closest Auto Show, or go to a dealer and drive some; I'm sure you'll quickly figure out which one you want. While I'm not at all in the market for anything fancy, I love looking at and sitting in them, poking buttons. Porsche, Lexus, Volvo, and Jag are impressive. Audi, BMW, at the same price point as the others, not so much. Corvettes are ok if you like sitting in a bathtub and your car looking like a 7th grader's boy-racer wet dream.

Personally, I'd be looking at the Lexus RC or GS, Porsche 911 or Panamera (used due to price), Volvo S90, or a Jag F or XF. Or, as a wild card, a Mustang GT350.
 

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Have heard incredibly good things about the Giulia.

But, like you, the probable show-stopper for me would be the anticipated reliability. As in, total lack thereof. :(
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That's why I'm waiting to check out the new Kia Stinger. I've had great success with past Kia and Hyundai vehicles, and you can't beat their 10 year / 100,000 mile warranty. What they lack in snob appeal they more than make up in terms of value.
 

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How about getting yourself an old Nissan S14, do a LS swap with twin turbos, redo the suspension then put on an aero kit that no one's going to recognize. Your very own Rocket Bunny monster?

Something like this....
 

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If an Audi TT-RS was in the cards I'd try to lease it, or any other higher end Audi. I just don't trust their reliability.
 
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