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I've built a couple of wheelsets using silver Sapim brass nipples. They always thread onto the spokes nice and smooth.

For my current set, I'm using black CN Spoke brass nipples. The threads on these are noticeably less smooth.

Is this because of the coloring or the fact that Sapim nipples are of higher quality?

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Bob
 

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The silver coated brass nipples are usually nickel coated, and to me they turn much more smoothly than the black oxide coated brass nipples. I've had much better experience with the quality of Sapim nipples, especially than the budget brands.

I've built a couple of wheelsets using silver Sapim brass nipples. They always thread onto the spokes nice and smooth.

For my current set, I'm using black CN Spoke brass nipples. The threads on these are noticeably less smooth.

Is this because of the coloring or the fact that Sapim nipples are of higher quality?

Thanks,
Bob
 

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Thanks, guys. I'll stick with silver Sapims.

I'm still pretty new at this and am still amazed that anyone can make a living building wheels. If I were to sell the first few sets that I built, they'd have to cost $2000/set to cover all of the hours I put in. :ihih:

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Thanks, guys. I'll stick with silver Sapims.

I'm still pretty new at this and am still amazed that anyone can make a living building wheels. If I were to sell the first few sets that I built, they'd have to cost $2000/set to cover all of the hours I put in.
It takes practice, but you can get a front wheel built in less than an hour and a rear in about an hour.

As to your nipple issues it might be that the black nipples still have some of the coating in the threads (is it paint or anodizing?). Are you putting grease on the threads? Grease will make things turn much easier and is a great spoke prep.
 

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It takes practice, but you can get a front wheel built in less than an hour and a rear in about an hour.

As to your nipple issues it might be that the black nipples still have some of the coating in the threads (is it paint or anodizing?). Are you putting grease on the threads? Grease will make things turn much easier and is a great spoke prep.
Hi Kerry,

I've been using Park Tool grease on the front spokes and DS rear spokes. For the rear NDS, I've been using boiled linseed oil. These black CN nipples drag more than the silver Sapims. There were about 4 in the bag that had really poor threads that I ended up tossing out. I won't use these in the future.

I've been using Sapim Laser and Sapim Race spokes. The wind-up with the Lasers is something I really have to watch closely (dot of paint on the outside of the spoke before adding any real tension). It would be nice to be able to hold the spoke and turn the nipple without worry of wind-up. Maybe on the next build, I'll fork out the extra cash for CX-Rays. :)


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Bob
 

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I'm still pretty new at this and am still amazed that anyone can make a living building wheels.
Define "a living".

I'm probably more "inefficient" than anyone else doing it, but it takes me about an 8hr day just to build one wheelset, and probably the same amount of time to deal with the other aspects.

But I also hate to be in a rush... it would take all the fun out.

BTW, I don't use black brass nipples because I haven't found any that look nice... always have a brownish cast to them.
 

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Get a twist resist or a set of smooth jaw pliers.
Thanks for the tip!

I'm getting ready to build my first set and really want to use Lasers but I'm concerned about the twist. I thought I'd use the edge of a marker to put a line on each spoke so I could keep them straight.

I'd thought of pliers but what is the "twist resist"??
 

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It's a spoke holding tool. Runs about $75.



I have a set of pliers that I'm going to try to use (smooth jaw). If that doesn't work out, I'll get one of the Twist Resists.

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I'm getting ready to build my first set and really want to use Lasers but I'm concerned about the twist.
The Twist Resist doesn't always work and it mars the spokes. I can't imagine regular pliers working at all.

It's best to use heavier DS spokes anyway for strength reasons on highly dished wheels, so I'd suggest that. Tension doesn't need to be so high on the front.
 

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It's a spoke holding tool. Runs about $75.
Thanks Bob!

I'm thinking of making my own spoke wrench so I can hold the spokes with pliers up very close to the nipple. With anti-sieze on the threads and oil in each rim hole.
Got lots of time and the patience to do it right.
 
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