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What is the consensus on pee break etiquette? Much to my dismay, in my first year of racing I encountered this phenomena much too often.
 

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velobellagirl said:
What is the consensus on pee break etiquette? Much to my dismay, in my first year of racing I encountered this phenomena much too often.
What do you mean by etiquette? Try not to let the police escort catch you? Don't take pictures? Don't point and laugh? :)
 

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What do you mean by etiquette? Try not to let the police escort catch you? Don't take pictures? Don't point and laugh? :)
I hate stopping or slowing down. I'd like to attack, actually.
 

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I hate stopping or slowing down. I'd like to attack, actually.
There are pee breaks when every one (teams and major players) agrees to it when the race is tranquilo. Teams or major players can object to having a break and say let's keep racing - is that what you mean? If you don't want to have a pee break it seems like it would be kosher to attack before but not after everyone has agreed to it.
 

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2 times not to attack..

velobellagirl said:
I hate stopping or slowing down. I'd like to attack, actually.
There are just 2 times in a race when you shouldn't attack, ever.

1 is when people are taking a pee break.

2 is when you going through a feed zone on longer road races.

If you attack during either one of these, first of all, you suck. You're taking advantage of the rest of the field at a time when they are disadvantaged. And if you attack or drive the pace even, when you are going through a feed zone, most people won't have a chance to get their goodies, and that's just not good, and actually could be dangerous on really hot days during races.

So don't attack during a pee break, because if you do, I'm willing to bet, and or I know, that your colleagues on the bike will do the same to you sometime, and or leave you in the ditch. It is yet another one of those "unwritten" rules, and or etiquette that we like to follow.
 

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There are just 2 times in a race when you shouldn't attack, ever.

so it's ok if someone drops their chain? ( i waited ) or takes a wrong turn ( i didn't wait... although her teammates wanted us to)
 

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if this is your first year racing, then i would venture a guess that your races are way too short to even involve a 'pee break'. make sure you hot the porta-potty before the race :)

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What is the consensus on pee break etiquette? Much to my dismay, in my first year of racing I encountered this phenomena much too often.
 

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they gots the pee breaks in Le Tour et al because they're in the saddle for, like 7 hours...

How long are these races?
 

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they gots the pee breaks in Le Tour et al because they're in the saddle for, like 7 hours...

How long are these races?
very short, that's why it so annoys me. like 60 miles max. if i have to go, i hold it. and i always make sure i've hit the potty beforehand. i will never drop my shorts in a race.

in one race we stopped maybe 10 miles into it! i couldn't believe it
 

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magnolialover said:
There are just 2 times in a race when you shouldn't attack, ever.

so it's ok if someone drops their chain? ( i waited ) or takes a wrong turn ( i didn't wait... although her teammates wanted us to)
That's up to you. It seems weak that in the second situation the ladies did not just take the initiative and drop back and pace their teammate up to the pack. What else are teammates supposed to do?
In some situations if your opponents drop the chain it's their loss and they better be able to get it back on without stopping. In other situations you will want their company to share the work so you wait for them.
 

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velobellagirl said:
magnolialover said:
There are just 2 times in a race when you shouldn't attack, ever.

so it's ok if someone drops their chain? ( i waited ) or takes a wrong turn ( i didn't wait... although her teammates wanted us to)
In my opinion, someone drops their chain, to hell with them. That's called bad bike maintenance, and that's their problem, not yours. If someone takes a wrong turn, once again, that's their problem not yours.

The thing with pee breaks and or feed zones is that those are things that possibly a majority of people might want to use, and or have access to. For a 60 mile race, it wouldn't be unusual to have a pee break, even at a good pace, you could still be out there for 2.5 to 3 hours on the bike, and taking in liquid and such, you just might have to pee. Some folks might think that the guys in 7 hour long races just pee once or twice, but those guys go a lot. So my advice to you is that unless you want to make some enemies in your racing group, don't attack during piss breaks or feed zones. It's a good way to get a bad reputation.
 

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magnolialover said:
There are just 2 times in a race when you shouldn't attack, ever.

1 is when people are taking a pee break.

2 is when you going through a feed zone on longer road races.

If you attack during either one of these, first of all, you suck. You're taking advantage of the rest of the field at a time when they are disadvantaged. And if you attack or drive the pace even, when you are going through a feed zone, most people won't have a chance to get their goodies, and that's just not good, and actually could be dangerous on really hot days during races.

So don't attack during a pee break, because if you do, I'm willing to bet, and or I know, that your colleagues on the bike will do the same to you sometime, and or leave you in the ditch. It is yet another one of those "unwritten" rules, and or etiquette that we like to follow.
Rik Van Looy said, "I think racing lacks spontaneity today, but all sport does. There are all these rules in the peloton; you can't attack through a feed, or when anyone stops for a pee. We attacked where and whenever we wanted."
 

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Rik Van Looy said, "I think racing lacks spontaneity today, but all sport does. There are all these rules in the peloton; you can't attack through a feed, or when anyone stops for a pee. We attacked where and whenever we wanted."
I think that Van Looy forgets that these things happened when he was racing as well, all the time. They didn't attack where and whenever they wanted, because if they did it in the "wrong" place so to speak (as mentioned during feeds or during "natural" breaks) they would probably never win a race again, as people would work double time to bring them back because they attacked when the defenses of others were down. That's called bad form in my book. I think Van Looy is looking at his days in racing with a "weepy" eye and a certain, "back in my day" kind of story telling like your grandparents would talk about when they walked to school, in 4 feet of snow, uphill, both ways, in bare feet. I think he's embellishing (sp?) just a touch to make it look like back in the day, they were all tougher, or something like that.
 

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Far from it...

Vel07 said:
magnolia = bike snob
Far from it actually. Look at the crap that I ride and how I maintain it. And well, just because I don't want to make enemies when I'm racing by attacking in situations where you shouldn't attack, yep, if that makes me a bike snob, so be it. I'm betting you haven't been in a race situation such as the ones described before.
 

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magnolialover said:
I think that Van Looy forgets that these things happened when he was racing as well, all the time. They didn't attack where and whenever they wanted...
I can say nothing about pee breaks, but I know for sure that in "good old days" (at least till end fo fifties) attaks in feed zones were considered as valour and not as offense. And, by the way, races (AFAIK) were longer.
 
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