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Wouldn't carrying on with 19 be the easiest option? There will be appeals and legal action should they relegate someone else...
I believe that has been discussed and discarded. I agree, that would avoid a ton of ulcers all around, but Pat and the UCI have so far said they will re-convene the license committee and decide who to throw out.

If they stick by that, which is by no means assured, the proverbial fertilizer will hit the fan when they decide who to throw out.

Lotto and Saxo were the last ones granted - so I suspect it will be between those two teams. There will hell to pay when a decision is made. I suspect both teams have thier legal teams warming up in the wings.

I'll have my popcorn with butter on it please!
 

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"What a mess!"

The Giro's Acquarone dismisses the idea of 19 World Tour teams:

Acquarone: The WorldTour Must Have 18 Teams | Cyclingnews.com

“What a mess. Now we have 19 teams so I’m curious to see what’s going to happen. We’ve planned everything for 18 teams and then the wildcard teams. We’re not ready for 19 WorldTour teams. Logistically everything has been set up for races like Tirreno and the Giro. I really don’t know how we’d have one more team in the race,” Acquarone told Cyclingnews.

UCI regulations are clear that the WorldTour is comprised of 18 teams, meaning that one team may have be forced to sacrifice it’s current status for Katusha.

“I’m curious to see what the UCI are going to do. Maybe they’ll take one team out of the WorldTour because as it stands we’ve got an agreement for 18 teams, not 19. I just don’t know. At the moment I think we have to go back to 18 teams but I will speak to the UCI next week and help to work on finding a solution.”
 

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IIRC, the ASO and Giro had a tough time wanting to allow the UCI 18 team slots back when Patrice Clerc headed the GT group in conflict with McQuaid. 19 means some Italian, French and Spanish pro conti squad would likely get excluded from their Grand Tour and that's going to be a tough sell.
 

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I think all this talk about how they can't arrange logistics for 19 teams (1 extra team) is a bunch of bull! What is it about 1 extra team that the logistics machine can't handle??

Sounds more like politics and grand-standing talk from a bunch of egos to me. This ain't about logistics.
 

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I think all this talk about how they can't arrange logistics for 19 teams (1 extra team) is a bunch of bull! What is it about 1 extra team that the logistics machine can't handle??

Sounds more like politics and grand-standing talk from a bunch of egos to me. This ain't about logistics.
Agreed - sounds like BS to me - but considering how irrational leadership has been at the UCI - I expect the worst possible scenario to emerge as the final conclusion of this sordid excercise.

Question: Should we take this ruling as a representation by the CAS that they do not feel the UCI is capable of determining who is World Tour level or not? Or, is this ruling just saying - "Okay, no problem generally but you guys were seriously jacked-up when you made this specific call"?
 

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Agreed - sounds like BS to me - but considering how irrational leadership has been at the UCI - I expect the worst possible scenario to emerge as the final conclusion of this sordid excercise.

Question: Should we take this ruling as a representation by the CAS that they do not feel the UCI is capable of determining who is World Tour level or not? Or, is this ruling just saying - "Okay, no problem generally but you guys were seriously jacked-up when you made this specific call"?
The basis of the UCI's decision was based on "ethical" reasons right? and not based on the athletic ability of the team. So whatever CAS ruling is (yet to be released to the public), it has to surround the question of ethics. And usually whenever there is ethics questions, there are usually some politics of ethics involved.

UCI is becoming bigger and bigger joke. It embarassing to have an outside organization (CAS) telling you (UCI) how to interpret your own rules. Yep, joke.
 

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And it will get ugly on multiple levels - Lotto and Saxo will be exchanging pre-emptive broadsides as soon as it becomes clear that they are under consideration for removal.

All the organizations that have recently traded barbs with Fat Pat and the stooges over at the UCI will pour whatever salt they can on yet another case of the UCI setting itself up for disaster.

Those who have called for a World Series of cycling as well as those who have called for an overhaul of the UCI will have a field-day as Pat & Co. squirm in the wind.

And then there is Riis - this will again put him on the hot-seat as well.
 

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Does the UCI intentionally make the wrong decision on everything! they simply defy logic on almost every occasion. so they are going to drop saxo ( with contador as tour contender) or Lotto ( who have sponsored cycling since the stone age) because 19 teams is an uneven number. Please put Lemond in charge. now.
 

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Agreed- this will get ugly.
And it makes sense that they will toss one of the last two to get their status. I can't picture them tossing Saxo, what with the Golden Boy El Pistolero... unfortunately I can see them tossing Lotto. The UCI doesn't give a [email protected] if Lotto has been one of the staunchest supporters of cycling.
Sad.
Once again, the obvious answer (19 teams) eludes them.
 

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Wasn't Lotto one of the later teams to get included just because of paperwork? I seem to remember people thinking their liscense would be granted in the first group and they were fine points wise? Greipel had quite a few wins...which would point to Saxo.

On another site, someone suggested cutting teams by 1 person for races with wildcards already announced (giro in particular)....and for those with wildcard slots still up in the air, reduce the number of wild card slots by 1. Seems like a good idea to me.
 

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Good question den. Time will tell. I'm not sure saying good bye to a wild card slot does that much. Looks like some Continental team doesn't get inivited to events. I'm not sure how it will affect the Giro. Weren't they trying to set teams last week inspite of this pending decision?

What's next? ASO vs UCI in a steel cage match?
 

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No shortage of crashes in their future. The pro peloton needs to get smaller, not larger.
 
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