Yeah what is up with the delay on these? Will it take Shimano going to 11 speeds before they are available?C-40 said:About the only thing I'm still wanting is a good 11 speed chain master link.
You need some education. You CAN shift either direction from the HOOKS if you have any brains. It's not hard to reach your thumb up to the thumb button, even if you have small hands.Mount Dora Cycles said:Both work. Try both, they shift differently so you need to feel which you like best. You can't shift down when in the drops using Campy. That would be the big deal breaker for me. Campagnolo definitely gets the awards for sexiest. It's Italian, what would you expect?
I agree. I have small hands and have no trouble shifting from the drops w/ my Chorus 11, which I like very much.C-40 said:You need some education. You CAN shift either direction from the HOOKS if you have any brains. It's not hard to reach your thumb up to the thumb button, even if you have small hands.
Andy Schleck might disagree ;-)MR_GRUMPY said:...
Most Professional riders will ride whatever they are given, with no complaints, because, at the top, they all work just as well...
MR_GRUMPY said:What do you have now?
If you have Campy, stay with Campy.
If you have Shimano, stay with Shimano (unless you hate it).
Every rider need a spare set of wheels.
Most Professional riders will ride whatever they are given, with no complaints, because, at the top, they all work just as well.
If this is your first bike......I have just wasted 90 seconds.....I want them back.
Well, I'm in the same boat as Gtti... 2010 Chorus or Dura Ace (???) Haven't exhausted researching pricing yet...DY123 said:I agree...if you are already calling it a gruppo get Campy if you can afford it why not get Campy?
Price is usually the deciding factor between choosing Shimano or Campy. I don't know why that doesn't get discussed more. All kinds of arguments on which shifts better, which hoods are more comfortable, which makes more noise while coasting, etc, ect...
I believe that people mainly buy Shimano because they got a better deal...plain and simple. Price is the key factor.
Yep, this is happens every single time you try to shift with SRAM. In fact, the shift levers and derailleurs are just there for looks. Actually if you want to shift with SRAM you have to stop, get off the bike and move the chain by hand to another gear. It's amazing that Contador did this so quickly with his Red group -- if you watch the tour in extreme slow motion you can actually see him do it. No kidding.tom_h said:Andy Schleck might disagree ;-)
I don't buy the "user/operator error" accusation. With a chain catcher (which Schleck did have on his SRAM bike), my Campy & Shimano bikes have never had a chain problem like Andy's, and I do on occasion find myself cross-chained and needing to shift under power.
FWIW, Zinn @ velonews hypothesized it's due to an inherent design quirk with SRAM rear der.