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Hi, I'm in the market for a new high end groupset, was considering Dura ace 7900, but with price rises and availability issues I have started to look around at the alternatives. I like the look of the SR11, and have ridden a Campy equipped bike approx 4 years ago (mid range group cant remember exactly which). General opinion in bike shops I have spoken to is that the 7900 will be really smooth, but not particularly durable, whereas the Campy stuff is not as smooth but far more durable, although no one has been able to confirm to me what the shifting is like on the SR11, and no one local has any in. Its a lot of money if I don't like it.Please could you give me your opinions?
Bike is a Specialized S Works SL2, with Mavic Kysrium SL premium wheels and currently running an old ultegra group swapped from my previous bike.
 

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Tarmac or Roubaix, you won't be disappointed with Campy. If on your next build you switch back to Shimano, you'll have more authority when you claim Dura-Ace is the best. you'll be wrong, but you'll be more credible.

Seriously, I love them both. I prefer Campy because I love all things Italian (including socialism where it's convnient), am romanced by the history, and am nostalgic for when I wrenched professionaly in the early '70s. Back then it was Campy or crap. I also like the action and the control design, and the ease of adjustment. Much less finicky and easier to tune.
 

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if DA is the same money as SR11 - it's an easy choice, SR11 any day - ceramic bearings, ability to 'dump' gears, totally rebuildable parts, sexier IMO, more durable.

Sram Red can be had much cheaper than both of these and is lighter than both, The rear shifting is fantastic, although the front not so. Just another option.

I've had 7800 DA, 10sp chorus, 11sp Record and Red and my new EPS will have SR11 on it for what it's worth...
 

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You should read some of the earlier discussions on the differences between the Campy 11 groups. You don't get much for the extra money with the SR group. All groups from Chorus to SR will shift the same since the shifter internals are mechanically identical. The six Ti cogs in the SR cassette will last about half as long a Chorus steel cogs. I never buy Ti cogs anymore.

I went with the Record/Chrous mix. Mostly Record, but with Chorus cassette and crank. The 40 gram lighter crank just didn't seem worth the extra cost.

I would compare Record to SRAM Red and in that comparison, Red is not cheaper or better than Record.

Check out Shiny Bikes or Ribble for low prices on Campy.
 

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Since 1978 I've had Super Record. Sante, Dura Ace, Record , Mavic Mektronic and Sachs New Success.

As I've worn or broken things I've replaced them with Campy. Being able to buy a $20 9 speed shifter insert for the Record and Sachs for uniformity was insanely easy. Yeah, the chain and cassette were needed as well, but $20 versus a pair of Brifters?

Would I try 7900 if I buy a new bike? Maybe, but only if I can't find Chorus or Record... or maybe the Di2.

I am open to trying new things. But Di2 better work flawlessly or I'm going back to Campy in a heartbeat.
 

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As far as ergonomics, the new shape for Campag shifters v. DA 7900 may look similar, but having wrapped my hands around both, they're quite different FWIW. I personally feel that the new Campag shifters are BY FAR the most comfortable shifters I've ever wrapped my hands around. DA7900 by comparison just didn't quite fit.

Consider, too, if you're willing to invest a lot of $$$ in something that can be repaired v. replaced. When Shimano goes out (normal wear & tear or "something you did"), you have to buy the WHOLE COMPONENT, w/ Campag you can replace only the specific parts that may wear. That I think is worth serious consideration when making the initial investment.

As far as shifting, I've only really spent any serious time shifting 9/10 speed Shimano & Campag. Shimano does indeed "glide" into gear, whereas Campy has a bit of a "clunk" to it. Personally, I'd describe Campy as more positive in it's shifts. Almost like shifting Honda/Acura (Shimano) v. shifting a BMW (Campag). I'd speculate the new DA and SR simply feel more refined/nuanced than their respective predicesors. (as a footnote, I'd describe SRAM shifting as somewhere in between the other two)

As far as cost, you'd be suprised what Campag, even SR, can cost when shipped from the EU or UK.
 

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Thanks for all the responses, my main problem is finding someone here with the new style campy levers in stock so I can try the fit in my hands. The reason I was looking at SR, was apart from the quality, bearings and weight, also the aesthetics (all black componentry).
Could anyone who has switched from shimano to Campy tell me how quickly they got used to the change in shift action? The thumb shifter appears to fall readily to hand and so I would guess its quite intuitive, and the lever behind the brake lever is where I would expect to find the lever anyway.
Finally, are the skeleton brakes powerful?
 

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Thanks for all the responses, my main problem is finding someone here with the new style campy levers in stock so I can try the fit in my hands. The reason I was looking at SR, was apart from the quality, bearings and weight, also the aesthetics (all black componentry).
Could anyone who has switched from shimano to Campy tell me how quickly they got used to the change in shift action? The thumb shifter appears to fall readily to hand and so I would guess its quite intuitive, and the lever behind the brake lever is where I would expect to find the lever anyway.
Finally, are the skeleton brakes powerful?
IMHO..
i've had the 7800 for a couple of years, before switching to '07 Record 10s, and now SR 11.

7800 is by far the best in terms of braking power. I'm pretty sure the 7900 is at least similar or better than the 7800 series.
i wouldn't say the skeleton brakes as weak, as a matter of fact, modulation in campy brakes are better. you wont be locking your campy skeleton brakes as often as 7800.

i've been a shimano user for the past 16yrs. it did took me quite a while to get use to Campy ergonomics (10s) as well as shifters. but the new campy 11 shifters has improved so much to the point that the ergonomics are actually better than Shimano. the hoods are surprisingly comfortable, shifting is smooth although a little 'chunky' as compare 7800. well, that's Campy's hallmark btw..chunky but dead-on accurate:D

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My two cents . . . I rode Dura Ace 7800 until being hit by a car that wiped out my bike. My new bike has the SR11. Initially, the thumb shifting felt odd, but within a couple of rides it became intuitive. As for the comfort and ergonomics, the new Campy SR 11 hoods are very comfortable. I have taken a test ride on a DA 7900, and it did not feel as comfortable. Also, with the Campy components, you are not going to brake on a shift as you would with the Shimano STI levers. The multiple shift option up/down on the Campy group is a plus.
 

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I too am buying a new groupo. After simply sitting on bikes with both campy 11 and 7900, I was pretty convinced that braking from the hoods on campy 11 was more like 7800 than the new 7900. The pivot on 7900 feels too low to me to be very effective (much lower than on 7800).

It'd be good to hear from those with real world experience on this issue (sitting on a bike and playing with levers may fall short of an informed review).
 

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I love the solid "thunk" of my Record derailer shifting. And in thousands of miles they havent needed a single adjustment.
 

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I've rode Shimano for three years before switching to Campy. Only takes a couple of rides to get used to the shifting. At first you gotta kinda think in reverse to move the gears up or down, but you should figure it out quickly.

I cannot stress enough just how comfortable Campy's new shifters feel. There's no comparison IMO between their current shape and their old one. Having had Shimano & Campy in my hands for a good amount of time on each (and even a few rides on SRAM), I understand the debate between prefering one over the other. But Campy's new shifters I feel trancend any other modern shifter I've ever used. Even if you've never had a chance to sample it, I highly doubt you'll have any regrets w/ it once you use it.

As far as braking, the Shimano brakes may provide more ultimate power, but Campy's brake setup provides much more modulation as was stated previously. Would you rather risk locking the brakes in an emergency, or have a little less power but greater control w/ brakes & manouvering when that critter jumps out at you? Better control is sometimes of greater value/importance than simply having the most powerful system.
 

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Modulation would be good over outright power, I have eight screws and a plate in my left collarbone to prove that I guess? I did not think the change in shifting set up would take too long to get used to as everything would appear to fall to hand, just learning whats up and whats down.
 

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I'm in the market for a group as well and have been disappointed with DA 7900 in terms of comfort. I've got big hands and used 7700 for five years which wasn't great but neither was the old Record for my hands. Just not a lot of space for fingers. Sram Red is better I've found thicker and a little more finger room, better out of the saddle. Haven't been able to sample the SR11 but maybe you gents would know if that would be a better choice relative to Red. I just wish I could get three fingers under my shifters most of the time and it would be worth the extra money to me. Thanks.
 

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I have been using Shimano since early 1980's need the Campy expert's opinion.
I'm in a process of building a new Time RXR Ulteam (just received it today)
I bought a 7900 grouppo to put it on and I started to think......
I'm putting ITM K-Sword bar/DT-240 wheelset (though the rim in Kinlin Nio 30)/Selle Italia SLR saddle/Conti Supersonic-Front/4000S-rear/Fizik tape which have kind of euro theme.
So I'm thinking about putting Campy Super Record 11 on them and sell the 7900 grouppo and swap out the freehub in DT-240 to campy compatible.

First, how long would it take to get used to the shifting.

Second, there is a significant price difference in Campagnolo Record Groupset 2x11 2009
and Campagnolo Super Record Groupset 2x11 2009
Can someone thell me the difference in performance, wear and weight?


Thanks in advance,
 

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You won't regret Campy

Talk to long term Campy users and you'll find that most of them have tried to switch to shimaNO just ONCE and say they'll never get into that mess again!!!
 

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CPARK, I started this thread with the same question, I went from Ultegra to SR11, and I can honestly say that the experience was great. The groupset can be purchased reasonably if you shop around, it looks incredible, shifting is great, its light, and as for getting used to the difference in shifting, it is very intuitive and will only take a ride or two to get used to it.
 

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I had the same problem could not decided which one to go with but ending up with SR11 not because of the weight, there were many factors why I choose SR11 , ceramic bearing for crank & RD beside the looks of black make the bike looks cool.
 

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I have Dura Ace 7800 on my Orbea Opal and Campy Chorus on my Independant Fabrication CJ. The front shifting on the Campy is superior, the rear shifting on the Shimano is superior. The braking on the Shimano is slightly superior. I do prefer the ergonomics of the Shimano brake hoods but as far as appearance goes the Campagnolo just looks way classier than the Shimano. I really hate the look of the 7800 crank especially.
 
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