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Nasty spill within the gang that pushes off from Trader Joe's in South Pasadena at 7:45. Two riders got battered enough to call paramedics. No pictures, but one of the harshest crashes I've seen in many years. Hope they recover quickly. Lots of expensive bike damage, too.

It delayed our group of sixty long enough for the next group of 100 to catch us midway thru the 40 miler. This meant climbing aboard their speeding train and hanging on for dear life. It turned us into a massive peloton. :blush2: I used to ride with them a few years back - and the even faster one even more years ago - but they just go too darn fast.
 

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Nasty spill within the gang that pushes off from Trader Joe's in South Pasadena at 7:45. Two riders got battered enough to call paramedics. No pictures, but one of the harshest crashes I've seen in many years. Hope they recover quickly. Lots of expensive bike damage, too.

It delayed our group of sixty long enough for the next group of 100 to catch us midway thru the 40 miler. This meant climbing aboard their speeding train and hanging on for dear life. It turned us into a massive peloton. :blush2: I used to ride with them a few years back - and the even faster one even more years ago - but they just go too darn fast.
With all due respect, I think that crashes are inevitable with groups of that size. The chances that everyone is on the same skill level are zero and the ripple effect is magnified. Sorry to hear about the injuries and damage.
 

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Yeah, it reminded me of one of the Tour crashes resulting from a moment's inattention. Really just a rider spacing out in the middle of the group. (Note that this occurred in the much smaller ride this morning, not the crazy large one amassing in the aftermath.)
 

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Nasty spill within the gang that pushes off from Trader Joe's in South Pasadena at 7:45. Two riders got battered enough to call paramedics. No pictures, but one of the harshest crashes I've seen in many years. Hope they recover quickly. Lots of expensive bike damage, too.

It delayed our group of sixty long enough for the next group of 100 to catch us midway thru the 40 miler. This meant climbing aboard their speeding train and hanging on for dear life. It turned us into a massive peloton. :blush2: I used to ride with them a few years back - and the even faster one even more years ago - but they just go too darn fast.
Wow, these open "club" rides are getting big. 100 riders going from stop light to stop light in city traffic? :shocked: Aren't there places outside of town more friendly to large pelotons? Are drivers used to these big events? At what point do they need police escorts? This is nuts.

Seems like breaking up into 10-15 riders would be safer. Participants would learn paceline etiquette, too. This seldom happens on these huge open rides. Riders come back again and again and never learn how to work as team mates. They just like to show off.
 

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7:45 is the slowest group, it makes me wonder if the people that start at that time are less capable (fitness wise) and possibly less experienced thus resulting in a higher likelihood for crashing?

I've only ridden the 8am and the 8:30 groups and I've seen some sketchy moves in the 8am group that I have never seen in the 8:30 group (the fastest group).
 

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Wow, these open "club" rides are getting big. 100 riders going from stop light to stop light in city traffic? :shocked: Aren't there places outside of town more friendly to large pelotons? Are drivers used to these big events? At what point do they need police escorts? This is nuts.

Seems like breaking up into 10-15 riders would be safer. Participants would learn paceline etiquette, too. This seldom happens on these huge open rides. Riders come back again and again and never learn how to work as team mates. They just like to show off.
It's really not that crazy. Drivers are polite for the most part, the whole safety in numbers definitely helps.



As for the "safety" aspect, who is going to break up the group? other rider voolunteers? and then they are going to teach paceline etiquette too? Ha!

These are drop rides, as in, keep up or get dropped. They are not "paceline etiquette" rides. People can jump on/off at any point during the route.
 

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The 7:30 pushoff bunch is now the slowest, maybe averaging 16mph. We generally catch them halfway thru. The 7:45 motors nowadays and never gets caught by the 8:00. I started doing the 8 about six years ago, when it comprised a max of twenty riders and went at a nicely controlled tempo. It goes insanely fast now, just a shade under the 8:30. Yeah, the showoffs like to escalate the pace of the slower rides. Wish they'd migrate to the fastest ride.

7:45 is the slowest group, it makes me wonder if the people that start at that time are less capable (fitness wise) and possibly less experienced thus resulting in a higher likelihood for crashing?

I've only ridden the 8am and the 8:30 groups and I've seen some sketchy moves in the 8am group that I have never seen in the 8:30 group (the fastest group).
 

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Even the 7:45 goes faster than what the 8 originally intended. We joke that eventually the slowest ride will need to start at 5AM. :cryin:

7:30am?! I didn't know that.

I agree that the 8am pace has increased significantly. So is 7:45am the new 8am? :)
 

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It's really not that crazy. Drivers are polite for the most part, the whole safety in numbers definitely helps.



As for the "safety" aspect, who is going to break up the group? other rider voolunteers? and then they are going to teach paceline etiquette too? Ha!

These are drop rides, as in, keep up or get dropped. They are not "paceline etiquette" rides. People can jump on/off at any point during the route.
This group is obeying the no passing white line. :thumbsup: I've been on and seen rides this big break up at stop signs and lights, as often only a portion of the riders make it through, and the rest have to stop for cross traffic.

You're right, though, might makes right! :D
 
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