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Sorry if this is a repost. From what I gather a group of bicyclists are holding a peaceful protest(not sure what about)...the guy in the video was about to tell the black lady in the suv but he was interrupted when a crazy car jumps over the center median and proceeds to run the cyclists over. Wish someone would shot him/her in the head right then and there.
 

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Looks like they got the a**hole's plate. He's likely facing a lawsuit, possible jail time.

Kudos to the guy holding the vid cam, that'll be valuable evidence. Nail the sucker to the wall.

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I have no idea how the guy ended up running over the cyclist's foot since the camera was not on the car the entire time. However, have you ever stopped to think that maybe the cyclists were acting a little poorly too? For instance, they were occupying both lanes of the road, when they could have occupied the right lane only, which would have sufficed for their needs, and they could have left the left lane open for motorists. Essentially, the cyclists were asking for this type of reaction from some hot head motorist. What if the motorist was trying to get to the hospital to see his dying wife? Even I, a fellow cyclist, would be pretty PO'ed by a group of cyclists occupying two entire lanes of a divided 4 lane road way.
 

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I agree with that.
 

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fabsroman said:
I have no idea how the guy ended up running over the cyclist's foot since the camera was not on the car the entire time. However, have you ever stopped to think that maybe the cyclists were acting a little poorly too? For instance, they were occupying both lanes of the road, when they could have occupied the right lane only, which would have sufficed for their needs, and they could have left the left lane open for motorists. Essentially, the cyclists were asking for this type of reaction from some hot head motorist. What if the motorist was trying to get to the hospital to see his dying wife? Even I, a fellow cyclist, would be pretty PO'ed by a group of cyclists occupying two entire lanes of a divided 4 lane road way.
You're joking, right? The motorist JUMPS THE MEDIAN and RUNS OVER A GUY (only his foot, but could've been a lot more), and you're saying that's okay? :eek:

Not.

I'll give you that the cyclists should've been in the right lane only, but even so, NOTHING makes what the guy did okay. You go OUT OF YOUR WAY to run ppl over or off the road, you should go to jail. Period.

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No, I am not joking. Did you actually see the car run over the guy in the video? Who is to say that the driver didn't pull up next to the cyclist and the cyclist swerved into the car. Look at how smooth a line that cyclist was holding. NOT!! You jump to a conclusion that the vehicle driver is at fault, but who knows exactly what happened based upon the video. Plus, from the video, it actually looks like the vehicle had stopped on top of the guy's foot. Granted, I will say that the driver definitely went over the median and is guilty of that, because that is clear as day.

Now, look behind the cyclists at the number of cars behind them. Do you think that was nice? Do you think that was legal? Good Lord, it is almost like the cyclists were looking to piss somebody off. How would you like to be out for your ride and have somebody stop you for quite a while, or be stuck behind a truck doing 5 mph that is weaving along two lanes so that you cannot get by. You would probably be pretty bent out of shape.

Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, but I have a serious problem feeling sorry for the cyclist in this video because he does not have clean hands himself.
 

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How is that peaceful? Is it not an illegal protest because slow moving vehicles must stay right?
Err a lot protests are disrupting...that's the whole point. They weren't roving around beating people with bats, that's what I meant by peaceful. As for the legality of the protest, who knows? There always protests where you see people marching down a city street, I'd rather be stuck behind cycling protesters then walking protesters.
 

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No, I am not joking. Did you actually see the car run over the guy in the video? Who is to say that the driver didn't pull up next to the cyclist and the cyclist swerved into the car. Look at how smooth a line that cyclist was holding. NOT!! You jump to a conclusion that the vehicle driver is at fault, but who knows exactly what happened based upon the video.
Watch the video again.

1) The car CLEARLY JUMPS THE MEDIAN. This is the safe driver you're trying to defend? Yeah, NO WAY this guy runs over anyone, lol. :frown2:

2) People are clearly screaming "YOU'RE RUNNING OVER HIS FOOT! YOU'RE ON HIS FOOT!". Seems pretty clear, unless one is a lawyer for the defendant.

3) On his way out, HE RUNS OVER A BICYCLE with his car, and nearly nails the guy who was ON SAID BICYCLE (but who jumps away just in time).

Face it, while the cyclists were being annoying, the driver was clearly aggro and needs a little behind-bars time to rethink using his 3000 lb vehicle as a weapon. And maybe he'll get some considering he was caught on tape.

No matter how you slice it, you don't get to drive in such a way that you maim or kill someone just because someone cost you a little time. Granted, had I been driving, I would've been annoyed and possibly called the cops on them, but human life > a little of someone's time. Anyone who, even after full reflection, still believes that's not the case, has issues.

Maybe you weren't joking, but you should've been.

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You are implying things happened in the video just to support your argument. At no point do you actually see the driver and cyclist collide. You merely see the aftermath where the guy is parked on top of the cyclist's foot. Now, why would he be stopped on top of the cyclist's foot if he clearly meant to run the cyclist over?

Is a driver responsible for running a cyclist over that makes an abrupt left turn from the right shoulder, and crosses right in front of the driver? Is a driver responsible for running over a pedestrian that steps out in front of the vehicle less than a second before impact?

You, my friend, assume a lot of stuff about the driver without any clear facts. Yes, the driver is guilty of driving recklesslessly in jumping the curb and possibly in trying to pass the cyclists. However, I am willing to bet that all of those cyclists are guilty of breaking at least one law, if not many more. As already noted, they should have been riding in the right lane since they were the slower traffic. Next, I would bet that they need a permit to protest. I know one is needed in DC. However, I am not completely sure about this, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt. Regarding how the driver reacted after running over the cyclist's foot, he probably paniced, but who really knows.

How about another scenario for the driver, other than a mad man bent on running over a cyclist? Honestly, if you watch the video again, and actually pay attention, you will see that the cyclist is dangling in front of the driver's bumper for a little while, so if he really wanted to run him over and kill him, it would have been really easy. Maybe the driver was in a hurry to get somewhere, he went around all the traffic behind the cyclists in the oncoming traffic lane and then crossed the median right behind the cyclists because other cars were coming his way. Maybe he was riding behind the cyclist looking for an opening to get by, thought he had it, tried to go through it, and then the cyclist that cannot hold a straight line veered into his path.

Yes, the Freedom of Speech is a great Right, but I don't think it includes the freedom to prevent people from getting to work, getting to the hospital, getting to dinner, or getting where ever else they need to go.

Again, I'm not joking, and before you condemn the driver, you should really try to know more about the facts, which I don't really see anybody posting about here. If one of my family members were in the hospital suffering a heart attack, you can bet that I wouldn't be quite as nice to the idiots on bikes as that driver was in the video. If my wife were giving birth, they had better get out of the way rather quickly and I wouldn't be very happy with them dangling in front of my bumper. God help them if my child is bleeding profusely and I am trying to get her to the hospital. My F-350 would have been over that median a lot quicker than the driver in the video, and while I probably wouldn't run them down outright, I wouldn't be very patient (e.g., I would have been on the horn and they would have heard a diesel revving behind them).

I've said this a million times and I'll say it again. You will find idiots and bad people in any specific group of people, and that includes cyclists. Those cyclists were idiots from what I can see. The motorist was probably an idiot too, unless he had a very good reason for doing what he did. If he was meerly late for a bucket of chicken wings, then that isn't an excuse, but if he had a medical emergency (e.g., the woman in the front seat was giving birth) or some other emergency that justified what he did, then I'm not going to throw him in jail.

Look at things from more than just a cyclist's viewpoint, because there is a lot more to life than just bicycles. Last but not least, try to know all the facts before sending somebody off to jail. Thank God that trials usually involve testimony and additional facts, and not just some poorly shot video.
 

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If the cyclists were impeding traffic flow, someone could have called the police and have them sort it out.

The driver should be arrested for vehicular assault and hit-run.

More appropriately, he should have been pulled from the car and beaten senseless.
 

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Those "protesters" are a bunch of elitist self-rightious bike riders that have lost perspective. Let's all stop arguing over the stupid a$$ driver that needs to go to jail. We all agree you can't purposely run over a cyclist. However, the driver is not the point of all this. The real issue is rightious bike riders. That "protest" was stupid and did nothing if not harmed bike/driver/society relations. It underscored everything drivers hate about us. That protest was just plain old dumb.

Bike riders are not better than others. They are not entitled to more than others. Too many cyclists think that just because they ride a bike on the street they are freaking heros and can do no wrong. BS. These protests are stupid.
 

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even though im all for fair justice.....

i mean the driver did drive over the median.... he had no buisness to be there from the beginning.. and the riders alone were already just stupid....
 

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fabsroman said:
You are implying things happened in the video just to support your argument.

Long novel of a post ensues.
Yeah. I didn't even bother reading any of that. The video, and the driver's dangerous actions speak for themselves.

Driver = aggro tool who should go to jail, and hopefully will. Period. You wanna defend the POS, feel free, but you're misguided in doing so.


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On the flip side of that, the riders had no business being in the left lane. The driver had no business going into oncoming traffic and then going over a median to get back to that left lane.
 

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Obviously, what the driver did was not defendable. You can sympathize with his frustration, but there is no situation where he is justified to run over bikes. If I were driving on that road, I'd turn off and go a different way to be honest.

One more thing, if I'm on a bike and I see a car jump a raised median I get the eff out of the way. But that's just me.
 

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If you read the rest of the posts on here, it would appear that I am not the only misguided person.

Honestly, I think both parties (i.e., cyclists and driver) are at fault in this one, and both should be doing a bunch of community service. That is my initial take on it. However, until I heard everybody's story, I wouldn't be so quick to condemn anybody. Maybe the cyclists had a valid permit. Maybe the cyclists were within their rights. Maybe the driver had a medical emergency. Did you get the answer to any of those questions from the video? I doubt it. You also chose not to read a long post because it is much easier to watch a 30 second video, make up your mind, and go on with life. Sometimes, the States Attorney/District Attorney does the same thing, and justice really isn't served in those cases. Luckily, we have a Court system.
 

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Can we just agree that everybody was at some degree of fault?

I actually thought the cyclists were just looking for some sort of trouble. Kind of like going to a party knowing there is going to be a fight, and then complaining when you get punched in the mouth.

Even if they were protesting something, it obviously wasn't clear. I didn't get anything from the video, and one of the riders had to explain it to the motorist at the front of the line, so it obviously wasn't clear to the motorists either. Yep, these cyclists did a great job at everything.
 
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