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Decent carbon wheels that take tubes.

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So, am I the only one who still uses tubes in my tires on a high quality carbon frame bike? I haven't looked at new wheels or tires for some time and all I see now are tubeless. I'm not a racer, but a serious senior enthusiast. I'm having extreme difficulty getting Conti 4000s tires/tubes on and off my Reynolds Attack wheels. I needed two sets of pliers and four levers to get the tire off. After 30 minutes of exhaustion, I'm not putting them back on. So thinking of new wheels, unless another tire/tube will be easier to install on my wheels, which are still fine really. Maybe the well in the rim is too shallow? or the kevlar bead is just too small?
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I haven't looked at new wheels or tires for some time and all I see now are tubeless.
You can use tubes with tubeless wheels.

I'm having extreme difficulty getting Conti 4000s tires/tubes on and off my Reynolds Attack wheels.

I needed two sets of pliers and four levers to get the tire off.
Maybe the well in the rim is too shallow?
If you can't get Conti 4000's on either your well is too shallow. I use to put those on and off by hand with no tools.

Try a tire bead jack. It'll get on the most different tires.
Before you ditch the wheels, I would try a different brand of tire. Some tire-rim combos are just impossible to work with. Try something from Vittoria.

Unfortunately, all wheels except some entry level wheels are now tubeless compatible and therefore will be tight fitting. There is a trick to mounting tires on tubeless compatible wheels, but not for dismounting them.

And no, you are not the only one who uses tubes. Many people including myself still use tubes.
Are the Reynolds wheels tubeless ready? If so, that's likely the problem. Its really hard to find wheels, or even rims that aren't tubeless these days. Got rim brakes old timer? Another strike against you. I had a set of wheels built up for my wife that used tubeless rims -- I didn't even know they were tubeless until I called the guy who built them and asked why is it so hard to get tires on these things? I ended up putting tubeless tires on them because it was too hard to replace a tube on the road. The tire jack works, but would you carry it around on a ride? Its not all that big, but I'd rather not.

Take it from someone who just broke a rear hub, now isn't a great time to be wheel shopping.
So, am I the only one who still uses tubes in my tires on a high quality carbon frame bike? I haven't looked at new wheels or tires for some time and all I see now are tubeless. I'm not a racer, but a serious senior enthusiast. I'm having extreme difficulty getting Conti 4000s tires/tubes on and off my Reynolds Attack wheels. I needed two sets of pliers and four levers to get the tire off. After 30 minutes of exhaustion, I'm not putting them back on. So thinking of new wheels, unless another tire/tube will be easier to install on my wheels, which are still fine really. Maybe the well in the rim is too shallow? or the kevlar bead is just too small?
You are definitely not the only one. I'm using tubes in all of my road oriented bikes (anything in the 25mm-32mm range).

I'm also a little surprised to hear you are having trouble with Conti 4000s. I've used those for years and have been able to mount them by hand on many different wheels.

I've recently picked up two sets of Hunt carbon wheels. They are a newer brand, based in the UK, but their wheels are fantastic, decently priced, and I've had no problems mounting Conti GP4000 and GP5000 tires on them. The added bonus is many models are in stock or set to ship in the very near future.

One thing you definitely want to be careful of if you are sticking to tubes is to stay away from 'hookless' rims. They are generally considered tubeless only, and they are notoriously difficult to mount tires on. Enve and a few other brands have jumped into hookless with both feet. Some brands are still making hooked rims (Hunt being one of them), so look for those.
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So, am I the only one who still uses tubes in my tires on a high quality carbon frame bike? I haven't looked at new wheels or tires for some time and all I see now are tubeless. I'm not a racer, but a serious senior enthusiast. I'm having extreme difficulty getting Conti 4000s tires/tubes on and off my Reynolds Attack wheels. I needed two sets of pliers and four levers to get the tire off. After 30 minutes of exhaustion, I'm not putting them back on. So thinking of new wheels, unless another tire/tube will be easier to install on my wheels, which are still fine really. Maybe the well in the rim is too shallow? or the kevlar bead is just too small?
I thought GP 4000s were replaced by GP 5000 a few years ago. Lots of people have NOT converted to tubeless, and the regular parade of issues that show up here suggest that for many, the hassle is not worth it. Are those rims hook bead or are they the "new" design. As suggested, a tire jack might be your answer but obviously you have to carry it with you so you can fix a flat on the road.
Continental doesn't list the GP4000 on their website anymore, so I assume they are no longer being manufactured, but it was a very popular tire, and I suspect there is still lots of stock out there, both in warehouses and in personal stashes.

I have three pairs of them still NIB in my personal stash.
I have some older RovalSL wheels and I run Spec Armadillos on them. The first time I put the new tires on, it’s a PITA! I put them on as far as I can and then let them sit over night to stretch a bit. This along with the tire bead tool above lets me get them on fairly easy. Once they are on the wheel, they aren’t bad to make tube changes when I need to. I can finish the install with my hands.
Reynolds Attack wheels are notoriously tough for getting a tire on. A buddy of mine sold his because they were such a pita.
Funny thing is I’ve been riding Reynolds Aero 46 wheels for the last 4 years and they are the easiest rims to get a tire. Almost seems to easy
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