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You only need to read the title to guess it will blow chunk badly.

Seriously.


Whoever thought that title alone was a good idea needs beaten over the head with a Trump or Cruz shaped ugly-stick.
 

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Watch the cartoon version titled The Dark Knight Returns. Way better.
 

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The review by A.O. Scott of the NY Times (who is sometimes inspired by bad films to flights of snarky rhetoric that are one of the great delights of newspaper reading these days) is worth a few cogent quotes.

A diverting entertainment might have been made about the rivalry between these two muscle-bound paladins — a bromance or a buddy comedy, an album of duets. “Batman v Superman . . . is none of those things. It is about as diverting as having a porcelain sink broken over your head (one of the more amusing things that happens onscreen).
Its two-and-a-half-hour running time — not so much a “dawn” as an entire morning spent watching the clock in anticipation of lunchtime . . .
To assure us that he will avoid spoilers, Mr. Scott states,
The studio has, in the usual way, begged and bullied critics not to reveal plot points, and I wouldn’t dream of denying you the thrill of discovering just how overstuffed and preposterous a movie narrative can be.
The whole review (not very long) is worth reading.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/movies/review-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-when-super-friends-fight.html?ref=arts&_r=0
 

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You only need to read the title to guess it will blow chunk badly.

Seriously.

Whoever thought that title alone was a good idea needs beaten over the head with a Trump or Cruz shaped ugly-stick.
Another factor is that, if you're a comic book afficionado like moi, you know that Zack Snyder is ripping off a major action setpiece of Frank Miller's famous The Dark Knight Returns graphic novels, without the Miller backstory or context.

And also, apparently the entire goal of the movie is to set up a series of 'DC Comics Universe' films, i.e. they're trying to copy and catch up to the success of Disney's 'Marvel Universe' films.

But the Marvel stuff has worked because they 1) took their time and built it up piece by piece, film by film, character by character, and 2) nearly all the films were actually good.

Finally, Zack Snyder, who started very promisingly with his excellent Dawn of the Dead remake and 300 (another Frank Miller graphic novel brought to life), has been fading in recent years. Watchmen and Man of Steel were both kind of 'meh', and Sucker Punch was a disaster.

Snyder's become one of those 'big budget blockbuster' directors who seems to still be in the game on the strength of his visuals, and absolutely nothing else (paging Michael Bay).

So yeah... odds were always that it'd suck. The reviews aren't surprising. :(






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The review by A.O. Scott of the NY Times (who is sometimes inspired by bad films to flights of snarky rhetoric that are one of the great delights of newspaper reading these days) is worth a few cogent quotes.





To assure us that he will avoid spoilers, Mr. Scott states,


The whole review (not very long) is worth reading.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/m...e-when-super-friends-fight.html?ref=arts&_r=0
They need to bring back Mystery Science Theater, doing modern flicks. There's so much potential candidates, as demonstrated:

Prometheus in Fifteen Minutes - Movies in Fifteen Minutes
 

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Watch the cartoon version titled The Dark Knight Returns. Way better.
Already did. It was decent, but not quite as sharp as a lot of the animated DC movies have been (i.e. surprisingly good).

But yes, probably way better than the live-action film.
 

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really, really, really bored with the whole comic book movie genre...
 

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really, really, really bored with the whole comic book movie genre...
Yah. Too many movies, and about half of 'em no good at all.

It's a gold rush right now, and it may kill the genre (for c-book films, anyway).
 

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I always go by the audience rating in which most cases they are correct, not the "experts".
Yah, but a lot of ppl are, ahem... dumb. :eek:

Rotten Tomato audience scores for the following:

Rocky IV (the one with Drago): 79%
Pearl Harbor (Affleck): 67%
A-Team: 66% (wtf)
Battleship: 55% (only an 'okay' score, but c'mon, this stank)
Blade Trinity: 59% (but it sucked)


What I do is look at both the critic score and the audience score, and if they differ greatly, try to think of why that is.
 

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Saw this last night. What Ben Affleck did to Daredevil he did to Batman as well. Watching this movie is like watching someone who can't swim trying to keep from drowning.
 

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Saw this last night. What Ben Affleck did to Daredevil he did to Batman as well. Watching this movie is like watching someone who can't swim trying to keep from drowning.
We need to find Affleck and drown him then. Probably Zack Snyder too.

What will they ruin next? :(
 

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We need to find Affleck and drown him then. Probably Zack Snyder too.

What will they ruin next? :(

The fact that Affleck still gets work after being in Gigli should tell you that it isn't about ability. If there was any justice in the world he'd have been dealt with then.
 

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yup. i hear ya. the only ones that saved it for me have been the netflix shows daredevil and jessica jones. i didnt wanna watch daredevil, but heard good things. while neither are perfect, they are pretty good. i enjoy the smaller, more "intimate" stories, not the "floating city that may crash to earth" or "giant hole in the sky through which alien creatures transport to destroy NYC."

deadpool was pretty good. i wished they overdubbed the jokes they used in the trailers. had they done that, those jokes woulda been a nice surprise to viewers.
 

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And also, apparently the entire goal of the movie is to set up a series of 'DC Comics Universe' films, i.e. they're trying to copy and catch up to the success of Disney's 'Marvel Universe' films.

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keep in mind, there were a few marvel films before they started down the road of the marvel cinematic universe. iron man was the first one where they thought, "hey, if we can get this movie to hit with crowds, we can open it up for other movies that tie-in together." it wasn't forced. the plan was always there, but it was only if they could connect with audiences. Plus, characters had their own franchises before pulling them together.

and i would say marvel is diluting their output. it was nice that each franchise had its own feel. iron man is action/snark. thor is mystical fantasy (not my thing). captain america is wrestling with governmental purpose (mush better movies than i thought they would be). hulk is, well, smash. they reboot that almost as much as spiderman, albeit for different reasons. antman is late to the party, but more in line with an ex-con iron man, but not as smart. more humor based, too.

avengers was fun, but it relied on a Thor story. yawn. but the chemistry was good.
avengers 2 was horrible.

while guardians was fun, watching it a second time is difficult. i dont care about a glove full of stones.

extended universes bore me. at anytime you can create a bigger, badder bad guy. and that seems hack.

superman v batman is just incredibly forced. imagine how forced its gonna feel when aquaman comes out! and all so broooooooooding. we get it. its tough to be a superhero.

oh, and dont forget universal is pulling together all the old universal monsters for the same thing. wolfman meets the mummy. its a cant miss!
 

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The fact that Affleck still gets work after being in Gigli should tell you that it isn't about ability. If there was any justice in the world he'd have been dealt with then.
Yup. I think it's as much about 'who you know'/representation/relationships as talent, a lot of times.

Not to say that talented ppl don't rise to the top, the nature of making stuff that ppl actually want to see or hear automatically makes it a meritocracy to at least some extent, but... there are incidents that make you wonder.

Affleck's career would be one... he churned out bomb after bomb after bomb for many years, making me think, "Ooookay, what exactly IS the statue of limitations for still respecting you for Good Will Hunting, anyway??".

Another would be Chris Brown's career. A middling pop singer, who goes off and engages in an absolutely horrific act of domestic violence... and against someone incredibly famous and well-liked to boot (Rihanna). You'd think it'd end his career.... but then you see him in more things than EVER, and he's still around. WTF??

I can only assume he's got some friends in high places/really 'great' representation. Or more like 'effective' representation, since great reps probably wouldn't prop up someone like him. :skep:
 

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Affleck's career would be one... he churned out bomb after bomb after bomb for many years, making me think, "Ooookay, what exactly IS the statue of limitations for still respecting you for Good Will Hunting, anyway??".
Hey now! "Argo" was good even though Ben Affleck was in it and "The Town" wasn't that bad, come to think of it, but for the most part you are correct in your assessment. BTW, Christopher Nolan had his fingerprints on this turd of a movie (he was one of the producers). Of all the potential Justice League characters they introduced (besides Wonder Woman) Aquaman got the most facetime.

Craig Ferguson's quote on Aquaman: " . . . don't know what's so special about a superhero who can be defeated by just stepping onto a rock". Long Live Dear, Aquaman!

 

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Hey now! "Argo" was good even though Ben Affleck was in it and "The Town" wasn't that bad, come to think of it, but for the most part you are correct in your assessment.
There were 13 years between Good Will Hunting and The Town, and 15 years between GWH and Argo.
 
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