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or just better taste in movies?

help me to decipher whether this is some kind of hipster-fueled schadenfreude (?) or just my imagination or if I have suck taste in movies. my friends and I have been arguing about the outcome of the oscars (yea okay I agree, who cares its not good take-chances indie films that win oscars anyhow but... hear me out). I saw Brokeback Mountain and it was a very powerful film true, but it was just so slow and depressing and (to me) kind of predictable. I'll admit I <i>enjoyed</i> Crash alot more, well maybe enjoyed isn't quite right but it really engaged me bigtime emotionally. but then thats just me. I don't much go for the whole romeo and juliet tragic romance deal i guess, I don't care if its neorenaissance teenagers or gay cowboys, I'm just so not into that theme. I saw both movies, brokeback twice in the cinema and have since rented Crash to see again just to enjoy the dialogue again. and that whole casually-evil racism theme really, I dunno just speaks to me with all the careless and crude social interactions I witness daily. its something I wish society could accept and deal with somehow.

so here's the argument. everyone I know is saying I should rent Do The Right Thing because Crash is just a crappy ripoff with 1 dimensional characters. and that awarding it best picture was just some neocon fueled plot to deny BB mountain the oscar because the gay theme 'isn't politically acceptable' or some bs like that. this kinda hurt my feelings a little bit because I *think* I have decent taste in films and I thought both of them were really strong contenders but to me, personally, Crash was more engaging and pertinent. I honestly thought either would be a great best picture winner. to me that whole conspiracy theory is just sour grapes. besides a lot of my friends are all in this 'we all hate it because its popular' sh*tty poser frame of mind that really ticks me off. I tell them that when they play these buy-into-the-indie-mystique games they've just become joiners in their own stupid clique but they dont listen.

o yea and before anyone goes off on a politics rant, please dont get my thread yanked / moved, because the central question here is about my perception of quality of movies not whether its a politically fueled agenda. thanks. I'm just trying to understand this better. I'll rent Do The Right Thing tonight and see if it changes my mind.
 

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The J's thinks he likes you alot and etc.
 

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does that mean you'll make out with me?

haiku d'etat said:
The J's thinks he likes you alot and etc.
should we start picking out china and stuff dude? thanks and I appreciate it and all but that doesn't really answer my question. not that theres anything wrong with that (& etc.) but I was sort of being serious (yea I know that's kind of a stupid thing to do on rbr).

maybe im naive thinking this is a good topic / question to post here, but the asshats on IMDB are only interested in having flame wars anytime anyone brings this up and no one's actually answering the question there either.

so does my taste in movies suck or do I have a valid argument that my friends are just hipster dorks with their half-cocked conspiracy theories? I mean seriously if brokeback won, couldn't you turn the whole conspiracy thing around and say the racism topic is too close to the surface in today's society or something?

my head hurts now, i'm going to go watch price is right.
 

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A) The films are judged against each other so if you have a year of so-so films, a so-so film will still get the oscar. If Do The Right Thing was released last year there might have been a different outcome.

B) The oscars are just self promotion and not credible, IMHO.
 

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first, i agree with endo that the oscars are quite objective and self-worship.

second, i posted what i did 1) because i like your writing style and introspection, and 2) to bump it back up the page, because i think it deserves at least a smattering of responses.

finally, it takes all kinds. but imho, the asshats i know who are into film noir and the underground stuff,...well, 99% of them are swaying "that way" to "fit in" with the "out crowd", and out of pretention.

i have not seen brokeback, have seen crash, but don't remember much from crash.

i have not seen DTRT either.

love stories and romantic comedies are not my deal. i'd rather watch something raunchy funny, action/adventure, sci-fi, or horror. i'd love to see BB mt but am afraid i'd be let down after all the hoo-ha and hype and controversy. when it's been out on vid/dvd awhile i'll pick it up. mostly i watch stuff from the vid store--i've seen most of the new releases and old favorites, several times.

-i'm Teh J's and you're teh sux0rz etc and etc etc like that. ;)
 

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A) The films are judged against each other so if you have a year of so-so films, a so-so film will still get the oscar.
fair enough which is why I said i'd go rent DTRT and upgrade my movie knowledge. I was like two years old when that flick came out so I don't know if my perception equals your reality on this.

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B) The oscars are just self promotion and not credible, IMHO.
agreed. I think I even mentioned this somewhere in my first post. that doesnt change the fact that a LOT of the american public bases their movie watching choices on what wins oscars. we can argue whether this is fair or not but it doesn't change anything. so if an exceptional-but-otherwise-unheralded movie doesn't make the academy nominations? no one but eggheads and maybe my sociology prof will watch it dude. like it or not what the academy chooses to honor means thats the media that will in some way affect what society sees (and hopefully thinks about).
 

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Do the Right Thing? Is that a Spike Lee film? I've seen Jungle Fever and some other film of his and I have to say I just don't get the big deal about Spike. Then again, maybe being a WASP I'm not supposed to get it.
 

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thanks man

sorry dude, now that I reread my reply it seems really snarky and that wasn't cool of me, so I apologize for that. I'm just fed up with people dismissing my opinions and treating me like some dumb kid. I get a lot of that from my sisters so maybe you just hit a button without knowing it. ok so I'm young and really, really good at sticking my foot in my mouth but (not that you want to know) the kind of stuff that got portrayed in Crash is the stuff that keeps me awake at night. so if it affects me strongly and it also got a lot of kudos from the academy then that just validates that it might be stuff that (hopefully) the american public might think about, at least a little bit. or not. because yes the oscars are pretty much the Hollywood in-crowd doing a little self-massage but I still insist that nominations and awards from the industry (no matter what they are) really raise the profile / visibility of whatever piece of media / art you're talking about.

and yeah, exactly what you said about the lo-fi crowd. they're just in it to be pretentious. I couldn't agree more (says the hipster dork with the chrome fixed gear, but whatever).
 

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no offense taken whatsoever. this can be a tough medium and i *always* temper what's written here with the knowledge that things sometimes come out wrong or are received wrong. trust me, if you were being snarky or whatever, i'd have said so...

:) :) :) :) ;)

seriously tho, re-read my post again. i think you have a talented writing style and are introspective and intelligent, young or old. so word up. and no, we're not making out together and swapping spit, unless you're directly related to ThinkCooper. nttawwt. :)
 

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Crash

I didn't see "Brokeback." "Crash" is the only one of the nominees that I saw. When it won, I looked at a friend (at work — I work for a Hollywood biz daily paper) and said, in my best Simpsons comic-book-store-guy voice, "Worst best picture winner ever!"
Now, it might have been better than the other noms this year, but it's worse than any other winner, in my opinion. here's why:
It was very obvious. The characters did very little to surprise you, even when they were supposed to be surprising (mild spoiler alert). For instance, the seeming redemption of Dillon's cop was as obvious as the fuel leak that was going to ignite the car.
Woulda been a better movie (though more depressing) if he left her there and said it was gonna blow and he couldn't get her. The shooting at the end was absolutely advertised a mile away, as was the fact that he was the cop's brother.
In an ensemble piece that jumps around like that one does, you need something to give it continuity. In the case of "Do the Right Thing," it was Ernest Dickinson's amazing cinematography (look at how the camera moves in defiance of the laws of physics, creating more dramatic tension) and the music. In "Magnolia" and "Boogie Nights," it was the music and the Valley setting. In Tarantino's films, it's all of these as well as his film-geek references.
With a choopy kaleidoscope of a film like these, you need touchstones.
In "Crash," I can't recall anything that held it together in these ways.
See "Grand Canyon" for a very similar and better, but also ultimately unsuccessful, look at L.A.
Then again, if "Crash's" only main conceit was to say that racism is situational in L.A., then mission accomplished. But we probably already knew that.
The fact that you liked it, though, doesn't make you wrong. It just means we differ. The fact that you ask questions like the one you asked makes you a thoughtful film viewer, which is plenty.
Sorry for the rant.
 

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in my best Simpsons comic-book-store-guy voice, "Worst best picture winner ever!"
no no no that HAS to be Titanic. seriously. my sisters must have watched it a hundred and fifty times and if I ever hear that theme song again I'll slit my own wrists. that movie sucked so much ass it should have a lead role in some porno flick.

I don't disagree and i'm sure you have valid points. maybe I just dont have enough frame of reference, yet. I need to watch Magnolias too. I liked Pulp Fiction a lot and all of the scenes with Ludacris really evoked that same feel / mood to me. and maybe I'm a naive optimist but to me it was very powerful when the racist jackass cop got the chance to redeem himself and prove not all of us are all good / all evil, especially compared to what happened to his ex partner (the character I totally related to - ultra creepy). and I see so many of that sandra bullock character on a daily basis, I wish they could all fall down some stairs if it knocks a little common decency into them.
 

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Are you seriously stressing about this? It's a difference of opinion about movies. Plus, if your friends are conspiracy theorists about how 'the man' is trying to hold back brokeback mountain, they should reexamine how much press and positive reviews it got despite... well, nevermind.

They're just movies. If your friends say you don't have good taste, tell them they suck and get better friends. Or... realize they're just movies.
 

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Do the Right Thing? Is that a Spike Lee film? I've seen Jungle Fever and some other film of his and I have to say I just don't get the big deal about Spike. Then again, maybe being a WASP I'm not supposed to get it.
jungle fever is his best film.. imho. a love story w/ an original plot. i'm not a fan of his style.. and you are not a wasp.. you are black, unemployed, woman and [email protected] don't give me that wasp [email protected]
 

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sorry dude, now that I reread my reply it seems really snarky and that wasn't cool of me, so I apologize for that. I'm just fed up with people dismissing my opinions and treating me like some dumb kid. I get a lot of that from my sisters so maybe you just hit a button without knowing it. ok so I'm young and really, really good at sticking my foot in my mouth but (not that you want to know) the kind of stuff that got portrayed in Crash is the stuff that keeps me awake at night. so if it affects me strongly and it also got a lot of kudos from the academy then that just validates that it might be stuff that (hopefully) the american public might think about, at least a little bit. or not. because yes the oscars are pretty much the Hollywood in-crowd doing a little self-massage but I still insist that nominations and awards from the industry (no matter what they are) really raise the profile / visibility of whatever piece of media / art you're talking about.

and yeah, exactly what you said about the lo-fi crowd. they're just in it to be pretentious. I couldn't agree more (says the hipster dork with the chrome fixed gear, but whatever).
indie films are a subdivision of the studios now.. their oscar is called sundance. most of them are more boring than big movies.
i would rent the prince of new york: a very rich african prince, eddie murphy, comes to new york to find a fiancee.. he wants to find true love so he moves in the bronx w/ his friend and confident arsenio hall. murphy is a billionaire , his parents trust arsenio to take care of him. he decorates their dirty bronx hole in luxury but murphy found the girl and wants to impress her w/ his character, not his money.he makes arsenio throw away the decoration.. there is a scene w/ arsenio in the post office sending a telegram to the parrents and asking money: "we need another 400000, no make it 600000, wait, maybe 700000.. and the bored woman looking a zombie corpse asks: why not a cool million? yes., he answers, a million. send it tomorrow please.
wonderfull movie.
 

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um... nevermind

seriously everytime I get in a discussion with you paint I wind up getting deeper in the sh*tpile so I think i'll just let it ride before you haul out the shovel again. I may be a total loser dumbass but I'm smart enough to know when I'm gonna get owned. I agree my friends are morons that was never up for debate and I'm not really stressing about it, being moronic is part of being at college from what I can tell. its crappy outside and I finished my homework, TV sucks and so I was kinda bored. it was a subject I felt strongly enough about that I decided I needed a little more intelligent insight than just 'dude that movie SUCKED ASS why did you even waste your money?' and sure enough the rbr crowd delivered.

thanks guys.
 

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Are you seriously stressing about this? It's a difference of opinion about movies. Plus, if your friends are conspiracy theorists about how 'the man' is trying to hold back brokeback mountain, they should reexamine how much press and positive reviews it got despite... well, nevermind.

They're just movies. If your friends say you don't have good taste, tell them they suck and get better friends. Or... realize they're just movies.
there is a [email protected] power in hollywood. agents, directors and producers commited to take the [email protected] identity out of the closet. nothing wrong w/ that.. since a lot of artists are g™y and there is an opening to promote a better [email protected] image, as well as market for it, why not? BBmtn is not radical.. it's another side of the establishment.
 

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I didn't have any problems with "the message," I just thought the movie wasn't very well done. I found the characters, well male at least, shallow. But I realize it's a matter of personal perception. I agree that Crash was a better film.

And chaos - I love giving you a hard time. If you won't give me any ammunition, how am I supposed to entertain myself? :p
 

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The reason Crash won (and I dozed off and had to flip back through the DVD) was because it was set in LA and talked about racism, particularly racist cops. The Hollywood crowd loves that stuff because it is close to home. Most of them wouldn't know a cowboy from a sheep herder.
 

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The reason Crash won (and I dozed off and had to flip back through the DVD) was because it was set in LA and talked about racism, particularly racist cops. The Hollywood crowd loves that stuff because it is close to home. Most of them wouldn't know a cowboy from a sheep herder.
and the music.. there is an annoying lament all the time. and you see the acting and the artificiality of the whole thing.
 
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