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Just bought what I thought was a top of the line carbon frame from Ridley. I get it home and the fork looks like is has fiberglass on the inner diameter of the steerer tube! I have some other top end carbon bikes and none of them has fiberglass in the steerer tube!

Has anyone else seen a top end bike with fiberglass in the steerer tube? I know low end china bikes typically have fiberglass, but I was not expecting this in the supposed top of the line bike from a major bike company like Ridley.. See pictures.. I hope I am wrong. Wood Hardwood Wood stain Desk Plywood Wood Text Hardwood Bottle Wood stain Product Wood Bottle Hardwood Drinkware
 

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Just bought what I thought was a top of the line carbon frame from Ridley. I get it home and the fork looks like is has fiberglass on the inner diameter of the steerer tube! I have some other top end carbon bikes and none of them has fiberglass in the steerer tube!

Has anyone else seen a top end bike with fiberglass in the steerer tube? I know low end china bikes typically have fiberglass, but I was not expecting this in the supposed top of the line bike from a major bike company like Ridley.. See pictures.. I hope I am wrong. View attachment 319615 View attachment 319616 View attachment 319617
... And it's not even THAT common in open mould forks.

Think about it, pros are riding around with this... Is it the SL version?

I can't help but think that it's an open mould fork from XDS Carbon Tech in China. While not present on their website (which is also crazy out of date), it adds up to their fork type labelling pretty well.

http://www.xds-carbon.com/products.asp?action=class&class_id=18&page=2

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It's actually pretty common to use some other material as one of the layers in the steer tube. Even my S-Works has 'something' else sandwich'd in there. It provides a little more give to protect against clamping pressure and sheering at the base of the stem, or so I'm told.
 

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Just bought what I thought was a top of the line carbon frame from Ridley. I get it home and the fork looks like is has fiberglass on the inner diameter of the steerer tube! I have some other top end carbon bikes and none of them has fiberglass in the steerer tube!

Has anyone else seen a top end bike with fiberglass in the steerer tube? I know low end china bikes typically have fiberglass, but I was not expecting this in the supposed top of the line bike from a major bike company like Ridley.. See pictures.. I hope I am wrong.

I don't know about major....they've gone downhill over the years, becoming a brand sold in mail order catalogs (PerformanceBike etc.).


I'm honestly surprised they have not been bought out and subordinated by one of the conglomerates.
 

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It's actually pretty common to use some other material as one of the layers in the steer tube. Even my S-Works has 'something' else sandwich'd in there. It provides a little more give to protect against clamping pressure and sheering at the base of the stem, or so I'm told.
Interesting, would you be able to take a photo of the s-works steerer?

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It's actually pretty common to use some other material as one of the layers in the steer tube. Even my S-Works has 'something' else sandwich'd in there. It provides a little more give to protect against clamping pressure and sheering at the base of the stem, or so I'm told.
I have to beg to differ, especially when talking about Specialized. See the below article. Everything I am reading points to fiberglass in a fork as an indication of a lower end product. While the article below doesn't talk about fiberglass, it talks about the technical design that goes into a high end carbon bike, and compares to cheap china products that use inferior materials (ie fiberglass?)

Not all frames are created equal. A look deep inside the carbon in counterfeit bikes | VeloNews.com
 

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I have to beg to differ, especially when talking about Specialized. See the below article. Everything I am reading points to fiberglass in a fork as an indication of a lower end product. While the article below doesn't talk about fiberglass, it talks about the technical design that goes into a high end carbon bike, and compares to cheap china products that use inferior materials (ie fiberglass?)

Not all frames are created equal. A look deep inside the carbon in counterfeit bikes | VeloNews.com
As I also mentioned in another thread, it's not about inferior production method. It's quite normal to use the fiber glass as a mold when laying up the steerer tube carbon. The issue is that they have not removed it again.

Btw, if you watch GCNs visit to the American Trek factory, you can also see that they have rolls of fiber glass. Where they use it, I don't know. I assume it's mainly in between carbon and alu to avoid corrosion. But I don't know for sure.

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I don't know about major....they've gone downhill over the years, becoming a brand sold in mail order catalogs (PerformanceBike etc.).


I'm honestly surprised they have not been bought out and subordinated by one of the conglomerates.
Rather the opposite. Ridley just bought out Merckx Bicycles.

But yeah, just get in contact with Ridley. They can tell you if it's legit or not, and they're going to want to know if there are counterfeit frame/forks out there and where you got it so they can sic the authorities on them.
 

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As I also mentioned in another thread, it's not about inferior production method. It's quite normal to use the fiber glass as a mold when laying up the steerer tube carbon. The issue is that they have not removed it again.

Btw, if you watch GCNs visit to the American Trek factory, you can also see that they have rolls of fiber glass. Where they use it, I don't know. I assume it's mainly in between carbon and alu to avoid corrosion. But I don't know for sure.

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I guess we have to discuss the word "inferior", hence my questions comparing to "top end" framesets. I expect and want top tier design and materials in a cyclocross bike in order to reduce margins of risk. THEY KNOW what failure level they have designed/tested to. Is it the minimum China open mould standard, or the premium Name brand standard??!?

I really don't know totally if the Ridley X-night is a cheapo fork, hence my questions... BUT I have a giant TCR and BMC SLR, neither have fiberglass in the steerer tube, and I have only heard of cheap china bikes with the fiberglass.

I am kinda sorta(?) sure the Ridley fork has some degree of integrity, but when you market something to the degree Ridley has done with the X-night -it is shocking that you find what seems to be a cut corner in the MOST CRITICAL part of the bike! Did they really use a top grade carbon bonded to fiberglass? or heck, they could save even more money by bonding the fiberglass to a lower grade carbon! It just has to last a suitable period of time to be defendable in court.... READ THIS:

Ridley Rides Out Rough Patches | Bicycle Retailer and Industry News
 

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I guess we have to discuss the word "inferior", hence my questions comparing to "top end" framesets. I expect and want top tier design and materials in a cyclocross bike in order to reduce margins of risk. THEY KNOW what failure level they have designed/tested to. Is it the minimum China open mould standard, or the premium Name brand standard??!?

I really don't know totally if the Ridley X-night is a cheapo fork, hence my questions... BUT I have a giant TCR and BMC SLR, neither have fiberglass in the steerer tube, and I have only heard of cheap china bikes with the fiberglass.

I am kinda sorta(?) sure the Ridley fork has some degree of integrity, but when you market something to the degree Ridley has done with the X-night -it is shocking that you find what seems to be a cut corner in the MOST CRITICAL part of the bike! Did they really use a top grade carbon bonded to fiberglass? or heck, they could save even more money by bonding the fiberglass to a lower grade carbon! It just has to last a suitable period of time to be defendable in court.... READ THIS:

Ridley Rides Out Rough Patches | Bicycle Retailer and Industry News

The people to ask are Ridley themselves.

Given that they've gotten caught with their shorts down before with lacking QA:

-This could be a legit product made to specification
-This could be a legit product not made to specification (AKA a lemon)
-This could be a fake/look-a-like which Ridley has nothing properly to do with
-This could be a fake-look-a-like that accidentally ended up in official distribution channels


To have any certainty, the people to ask are Ridley.
 

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I guess we have to discuss the word "inferior", hence my questions comparing to "top end" framesets. I expect and want top tier design and materials in a cyclocross bike in order to reduce margins of risk. THEY KNOW what failure level they have designed/tested to. Is it the minimum China open mould standard, or the premium Name brand standard??!?

I really don't know totally if the Ridley X-night is a cheapo fork, hence my questions... BUT I have a giant TCR and BMC SLR, neither have fiberglass in the steerer tube, and I have only heard of cheap china bikes with the fiberglass.

I am kinda sorta(?) sure the Ridley fork has some degree of integrity, but when you market something to the degree Ridley has done with the X-night -it is shocking that you find what seems to be a cut corner in the MOST CRITICAL part of the bike! Did they really use a top grade carbon bonded to fiberglass? or heck, they could save even more money by bonding the fiberglass to a lower grade carbon! It just has to last a suitable period of time to be defendable in court.... READ THIS:

Ridley Rides Out Rough Patches | Bicycle Retailer and Industry News
I agree. It's not a good sign in a fork from a bigger brand.
Thanks for the article. Interesting stuff.
On the bright side, if it turns out to be from XDS, they are one of the big Chinese manufacturers, most likely making frame sets for several other big brands as well.
But anyways, you should really get a hold of Ridley. As the article also covers, they know what a bad rep can do to business.

Here's a pic of an open mould fork I got at one point... If it helps you in any way...


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Just bought what I thought was a top of the line carbon frame from Ridley. I get it home and the fork looks like is has fiberglass on the inner diameter of the steerer tube! I have some other top end carbon bikes and none of them has fiberglass in the steerer tube!

Has anyone else seen a top end bike with fiberglass in the steerer tube? I know low end china bikes typically have fiberglass, but I was not expecting this in the supposed top of the line bike from a major bike company like Ridley.. See pictures.. I hope I am wrong.

The plot thickens: I grabbed an led torch light and started looking down into the fork. I see what appears to be loose carbon fiber with no resin all around the crown. Again, I am not trained in carbon design/analysis, but when I look at the below videos, and then compare to what I am seeing, it looks pretty sketchy. I will try to get pictures, I work at a research center and I think they have flexible camera scopes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZbg5hCRyvs
 

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I agree. It's not a good sign in a fork from a bigger brand.
Thanks for the article. Interesting stuff.
On the bright side, if it turns out to be from XDS, they are one of the big Chinese manufacturers, most likely making frame sets for several other big brands as well.
But anyways, you should really get a hold of Ridley. As the article also covers, they know what a bad rep can do to business.

Here's a pic of an open mould fork I got at one point... If it helps you in any way...


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Thanks! Do me a favor grab an LED torch light or similar and look down the tube. Is it smooth around the crown? Do you see lots of loose black fibers?
 

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Thanks! Do me a favor grab an LED torch light or similar and look down the tube. Is it smooth around the crown? Do you see lots of loose black fibers?
I'll do it tomorrow. It's bed time around here now ;)
I own an endoscope, so should be able to give you some detailed images.

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The plot thickens: I grabbed an led torch light and started looking down into the fork. I see what appears to be loose carbon fiber with no resin all around the crown. Again, I am not trained in carbon design/analysis, but when I look at the below videos, and then compare to what I am seeing, it looks pretty sketchy. I will try to get pictures, I work at a research center and I think they have flexible camera scopes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZbg5hCRyvs
It's called resin dry. Too little resin. Not so good. He actually has a whole video on that subject.

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Rather the opposite. Ridley just bought out Merckx Bicycles.

But yeah, just get in contact with Ridley. They can tell you if it's legit or not, and they're going to want to know if there are counterfeit frame/forks out there and where you got it so they can sic the authorities on them.
It is not counterfeit. I bought from a well established authorized re-seller. The re-seller said they would contact Ridley after the holiday. The more I read about Ridley, all they are is painting company. They paint frames.

SO I have a frame that is painted really nice, but has a compression plug in a fiberglass steerer tube, and loose carbon fibers in the fork crown, and a manufacturer date of 2014 on a 2017 frameset... I hate bean counters.
 

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There seems to be something wrong with the edit functionality on web. Can only replace. Not edit.

Anyways:
1. the fiber glass stops
2+3 resin rich and left over bladder material.
 
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