I have two pair that I got off ebay last year (they were new). They have really cheap, thin chamois, not suitable for more than an hour ride, at least for me. I use them for short interval sessions on a trainer, instead of real rides. I got what I paid for, so I can't complain, but if I had to do it over again, I would skip them and buy a better pair. I have had really good luck with the Pearl Izumi with the microsensor chammy.
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