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What the heck is it about people (and shops) wanting to put people into a fit that looks like what the pros ride? Smallish frames, lots of seatpost, long stems. While that may be perfect for some, many of us lack the flexibility for such a fit.

There's no need to have a 110mm stem (or longer) and 12 inches of seatpost showing. Unless you're racing and need an aggressive posture, or you're flexible enough to be comfortable in such a position.

A 75mm stem isn't sketchy (I have experience with it), nor is a 110. Just get comfortable.

As long as you're comfortable on the bike, not feeling like you have to reach for the hoods and able to ride in the drops, you're in good shape.

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JoelS said:
What the heck is it about people (and shops) wanting to put people into a fit that looks like what the pros ride?
Pros ride the absolutely most efficient bikes possible, so I can see shops trying to fit people to bike that will get the most out of the rider's input. I'm not saying that's always the best thing to do, but it may be their logic.
 

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Pros ride the absolutely most efficient bikes possible, so I can see shops trying to fit people to bike that will get the most out of the rider's input. I'm not saying that's always the best thing to do, but it may be their logic.
Incorrect. Pros ride the bikes that they are paid to ride. Some are soft as noodles (remember the old Vitus frames?). They also ride this particular fit in an attempt to have as many bikes as possible able to fit as many riders as possible (with minimal changes) in the event that a rider needs a bike change in the middle of a stage. It's a logistical issue much more than a rider efficiency issue.

Not all of them ride that fit. I've seen some this year on more "old school" type fit with a shortish stem and not much seatpost showing.
 

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Shops typically fit that way, because you get Fred in saying "I want to ride fast like Lance" and gets his bike set up that way. They do this because if they say the truth such as "it won't be comfortable for you" or "that doesn't suit your riding style/age/anything else", the customer is likely to walk.
I think the fitter should ask questions to determine what fit will work best, then set up the bike that way, but tells the customer that they're being fit just like the pros get fit. Technically, he wouldn't be lying.
 

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A smaller frame with more seatpost showing is more efficient. A smaller frame generally has a higher seat angle and puts the rider in more of a time trial position over the crankarms.

Plus it looks better. Why would a bike shop assume a guy buying an expensive racing machine would wnat a relaxed touring fit? If thats the case, then its up to that customer to specify what he wants....not for the bike store people to assume such a thing.
 

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110? pfff, if they have your preferred stem in stock it isn't nearly long enough. 135-140, now we're talking.
Maybe if you ride a 65cm frame.

For most other ppl, a 140mm stem would be a heads-up that your top tube is too short and/or bike was too small.
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M-theory said:
A smaller frame with more seatpost showing is more efficient. A smaller frame generally has a higher seat angle and puts the rider in more of a time trial position over the crankarms.

Plus it looks better. Why would a bike shop assume a guy buying an expensive racing machine would wnat a relaxed touring fit? If thats the case, then its up to that customer to specify what he wants....not for the bike store people to assume such a thing.
They're doing it with all kinds of bikes. I see folks on touring bikes fit like they're pro racers, and they don't have the flexibility for it.

A good salesperson will ASK lots of questions and select a range of bikes that meet what the customer desires, not try to fit them into some preconceived mold.
 

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I was to this one shop. Older guy really took the time to show me around etc. Almost refused to even let me consider a few bikes that he felt was too big. He fitted me to two bikes one the size the wanted and one the size he felt was right. The smaller one did feel better. I really fetl bad I didn't buy my bike there but I just don't like Specialized bikes.
 

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M-theory said:
A smaller frame with more seatpost showing is more efficient. A smaller frame generally has a higher seat angle and puts the rider in more of a time trial position over the crankarms.

Plus it looks better. Why would a bike shop assume a guy buying an expensive racing machine would wnat a relaxed touring fit? If thats the case, then its up to that customer to specify what he wants....not for the bike store people to assume such a thing.
I'll disagree a. with the "looks better" part (I have always found that today's compact frames are actually rather ugly) and b. with the customer having to specify what he wants. Unless you have been riding for a fair while, you don't know what you want. You have no idea what your riding style is, or what's comfortable, for that matter.
If someone comes to the shop looking around in the racing section, I do not automatically assume that he is a racer. Instead, I assume nothing, ask questions and let him tell me as much as he can. After that, I dispense with my wisdom, present my pros and cons and let him decide. Often, this includes a nudge away from an overly aggressive setup.
 

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My personal pet peeve is how most LBS' seem to fit riders with their saddles way on the high side....Me included...

Now that I dropped my saddle a touch I am much more comfortable...
 
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