Road Bike, Cycling Forums banner
1 - 20 of 95 Posts

· Registered
Joined
·
2,342 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
there's no link up yet on <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5508863">NPR</a> yet, but I just heard an interview with Frankie A given today on NPR...and it seems he doesn't like having his wife's credibility called into question by Lance. LA apparently alleged yesterday that she was unable to answer specific questions regarding the doctors present at the time he admitted to using a pharmacy's worth of PEDs and thus, must be mistaken about what else she remembers. He (la) listed several specific questions to which he claims she answered "I don't know". Frankie says that's not the case, she answered every question. Not much grey area here and should be easy enough to determine who's not telling the truth. It's all on record. either frankie is wrong about what his wife testified, or....wait for it.....Armstrong is making things up to discredit his accuser (again).
 

· Genitive Declensioner
Joined
·
12,158 Posts
blackhat said:
there's no link up yet on <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5508863">NPR</a> yet, but I just heard an interview with Frankie A given today on NPR...and it seems he doesn't like having his wife's credibility called into question by Lance. LA apparently alleged yesterday that she was unable to answer specific questions regarding the doctors present at the time he admitted to using a pharmacy's worth of PEDs and thus, must be mistaken about what else she remembers. He (la) listed several specific questions to which he claims she answered "I don't know". Frankie says that's not the case, she answered every question. Not much grey area here and should be easy enough to determine who's not telling the truth. It's all on record. either frankie is wrong about what his wife testified, or....wait for it.....Armstrong is making things up to discredit his accuser (again).

Where are the Dr.'s that supposedly asked the question to begin with. That would clear this up I believe. Without their testimony, it's all he said she said I heard he heard BS.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
11,561 Posts
svend said:
Where are the Dr.'s that supposedly asked the question to begin with. That would clear this up I believe. Without their testimony, it's all he said she said I heard he heard BS.
I've read that the question wasn't from a doctor and the people in the room were the Andreaus, the Carmichaels, the Oakley rep, and Lance's girlfriend. Now Carmichael and Frankie certainly know the score and almost certainly doped themselves or were involved in doping. Christ, Carmichael settled out of court with Strock over the charges that Carmichael had him doped when he was a member of the US junior team.

What could Frankie's motivation be for saying Armstrong doped when the only people who would ever here it were some lawyers and a judge?
 

· Banned
Joined
·
86 Posts
So I had a boring day at work today, surfing the internet and come across "Race2Replace"

One of the episodes has Lance in the car at TDG, Some guy comes running up and asks him to sign a yellow Jersey. Lance says "I will sign anything else but I don't sign Yellow Jerseys"

The guy goes into full begging mode..."Please, I coach kids, I know Frankie...." The guys stops short of saying "Andreu" because Lance starts signing the jersey

Before he can finish Lance says something like "don't say the word he is about to say" refering to the Frankie word.

I feel sorry for Frankie and Betsy, they were forced to tell the truth and Lance does his best to trash them.
 

· Genitive Declensioner
Joined
·
12,158 Posts
Dwayne Barry said:
I've read that the question wasn't from a doctor and the people in the room were the Andreaus, the Carmichaels, the Oakley rep, and Lance's girlfriend.

What could Frankie's motivation be for saying Armstrong doped when the only people who would ever here it were some lawyers and a judge?

So who then asked the question, doesn't really seem like a topic that would come up
post-op btween "friends"......
 

· Master of flip comments
Joined
·
1,737 Posts
I believe Frankie

blackhat said:
there's no link up yet on <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5508863">NPR</a> yet, but I just heard an interview with Frankie A given today on NPR...and it seems he doesn't like having his wife's credibility called into question by Lance. LA apparently alleged yesterday that she was unable to answer specific questions regarding the doctors present at the time he admitted to using a pharmacy's worth of PEDs and thus, must be mistaken about what else she remembers. He (la) listed several specific questions to which he claims she answered "I don't know". Frankie says that's not the case, she answered every question. Not much grey area here and should be easy enough to determine who's not telling the truth. It's all on record. either frankie is wrong about what his wife testified, or....wait for it.....Armstrong is making things up to discredit his accuser (again).
He has nothing to gain and A LOT to lose from testifying that Armstrong admitted using drugs. Plus, this was in a private lawsuit and was not supposed to be made public. He's saying he and his wife told the truth. They even tried to get out of testifying in the first place. I think we can put the question of whether Armstrong used drugs to bed.
 

· Master of flip comments
Joined
·
1,737 Posts
thanks for posting the link

The Tedinator said:
It's up now. Here is the link:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5516287

Under oath sworn testimony is pretty compelling......so is the affidavit of Dr. Nichols.
Another reason why I think NPR is among the best news sources around.

ps....I believe Frankie and his wife. It's interesting how the life of Armstrong is littered with cast off former friends.
 

· imbasilical moreon
Joined
·
1,894 Posts
gregario said:
He has nothing to gain and A LOT to lose from testifying that Armstrong admitted using drugs. Plus, this was in a private lawsuit and was not supposed to be made public. He's saying he and his wife told the truth. They even tried to get out of testifying in the first place. I think we can put the question of whether Armstrong used drugs to bed.

What about the 280+ pages of medical records that contradict their statements ........

My wife is a Medical Malpractice attorney (defense) .... she tells me if LA had made those statements in the presence of ANY medical staff, it would have been charted ......

b0nk
 

· Master of flip comments
Joined
·
1,737 Posts
contradict?

bonkmiester said:
What about the 280+ pages of medical records that contradict their statements ........

My wife is a Medical Malpractice attorney (defense) .... she tells me if LA had made those statements in the presence of ANY medical staff, it would have been charted ......

b0nk
I don't know what records you're talking about, and I don't know how you can say these records CONTRADICT anything SPECIFICALLY. For me I believe the people who have a lot to lose by telling the truth, which apparently they did. I also know that not everything gets written down, no matter what your wife says.

I'm not really a Lance basher, it just seems like there sure are a lot of people that contradict what he's been claiming for years. I would have a lot more respect for him if he just came out and admitted it, of course assuming it were true. I also think that at the elite professional level that they all dope to some extent.
 

· imbasilical moreon
Joined
·
1,894 Posts
gregario said:
I don't know what records you're talking about,

...as part of the lawsuit (at which Frankie testified), LAs records were entered as evidence ...

and I don't know how you can say these records CONTRADICT anything SPECIFICALLY.

...the records indicate the conversation didn't happen the way the Andreaus recalled ...

For me I believe the people who have a lot to lose by telling the truth, which apparently they did.

...apparently the court didn't believe him...

I also know that not everything gets written down, no matter what your wife says.

...let's see, it's 1996, and you are a premier MD cancer specialist, treating a 20 something almost unknown bicycle racer, with cancer spreading from his balls to his brain, who very well might die on you , and you are not going to cover your a$$ and chart a conversation like this ???...can you say lawsuit ??? ...

I'm not really a Lance basher,

...me neither, not a fanboy either, I don't even "like" the guy...

it just seems like there sure are a lot of people that contradict what he's been claiming for years.

...the press is full of contradictory statements, especially in June, because it creates drama, and it's good for business...but, none of that is "evidence", so it's not fair to impune the guy based on that stuff... the closest thing we had to "evidence" were the '99 urine samples, but the lab 'effed up that opportunity with bad science...


I would have a lot more respect for him if he just came out and admitted it, of course assuming it were true.

...me too...

I also think that at the elite professional level that they all dope to some extent.
...agree, I think there is a "peloton-think" mindset that allows them to rationalize all this as looking after their "recovery"...they probably have convinced themselves that as long as they don't exceed the "threshold" drug levels that they aren't cheating...
 

· Registered
Joined
·
4,838 Posts
EasyRider47 said:
Hmmmmmm.............unfortunately, maybe LA will be remembered more for his "LiveWrong" approach to cycling, as opposed to his "LiveStrong" campaign....(maybe the "LiveWrong" guys had better insight than we gave them credit for?)...............just a passing thought......
:thumbsup:
 

· Registered
Joined
·
2,514 Posts
if it was said in the prescence of any medical staff if SHOULD have been noted in the chart but that doesn't mean it was. Software developers and hospital administrators have spent tons of money trying to automate the process as much as possible for a reason. I had the misfortune to spend a few years involved on the billing side of things and bills were frequently kicked out because they said there was nothing in the chart supporting the medical necessity, and many times the insurance companies were right.

It's only lying if the person knows it to be untrue. Theoretically they could all believe what they are saying is the truth.

Not really likely - Nichols was not in the room so his testimony is irrelevant and the others all have financial reasons to contradict the Andreus. Then there's the Lemond answering machine recording of the Oakley rep contradicting what she said in court...
 

· Master of flip comments
Joined
·
1,737 Posts
furthermore, upon more thought....I think Armstrong is a fantastic athlete, as are all those guys at his level. He has also done a world of good, more than all of us posting on RBR forums put together. I saw him on the Daily show repeat last night and he was pretty impressive. But, do I think he doped? Yes. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? Yes, but only to those he beat while he was doping....and you don't hear ANYONE he competed against complaining except for Bassons and Simeoni. As someone brought up the other day, if you're clean but are beaten by a person or persons that cheat, you're going to *****. Tell me who has other than those two. I can't think of anyone else. Did he and Lemond compete head to head? Maybe at the end of Lemond's career...also, tell me what the Andreau's have to gain from testifying how they did. They have a lot to lose. Frankie is still heavily involved in the sport and is a motivational speaker. Lance is universally loved by the general public. What are people going to think about Frankie, who they probably never heard of, telling them their hero took drugs to win?

Personally, I think this issue has been talked to death. Lance is a great athlete and continues to give hope and support to many cancer victims.
 

· Master of flip comments
Joined
·
1,737 Posts
ok

bonkmiester said:
...agree, I think there is a "peloton-think" mindset that allows them to rationalize all this as looking after their "recovery"...they probably have convinced themselves that as long as they don't exceed the "threshold" drug levels that they aren't cheating...
good enuf.
 

· imbasilical moreon
Joined
·
1,894 Posts
devils advocate here:

..ok, so it's '96 and you are LA, practicaly on your deathbed, your pro-career is down the tubes, and the MDs are asking what meds you are on (they need to know to treat your correctly)...

your are in there to get cured, to beat the cancer.....do you not tell them you are on EPO, HGH, 'roids, whatever ???...that could be a death sentence right there.....

doesn't make sense....
b0nk
 

· Genitive Declensioner
Joined
·
12,158 Posts
gregario said:
He has nothing to gain and A LOT to lose from testifying that Armstrong admitted using drugs. Plus, this was in a private lawsuit and was not supposed to be made public. He's saying he and his wife told the truth. They even tried to get out of testifying in the first place. I think we can put the question of whether Armstrong used drugs to bed.
We can speculate all we want but the bottom line is it's just that until there's proof.
He said she said BS is NOT proof. Who knows what Frankie and his wife have against Lance, they are not going to come out and say what their beef is.

It seems to be a sad commentary on our national psych that we love the underdog until they succeed and then do all we can to tear them down. The guy is retired, done. Who cares other than a bitter Lemond. LA probably did dope pre-2000 as did the rest of the peloton, can we prove it. So far no, but how much energy should be spent on this? Should we dredge up all the former champs and put their past under the microscope to see if we can find any dope useage too? Why single out Armstrong for this?

Heartning to know that in the USA how many believe in guilty until proven innocent.....or maybe just guilty because other people with an axe to grind say so.....
 

· Registered
Joined
·
262 Posts
Off the top of my head, I recall the following allegations regarding Lance & doping:

- Swart: former Motorola teammate claims to have done EPO with him
- Andreus: claim he admitted to taking PEDs in the pre-cancer days
- O'Relly: former soigneur claims she was asked to dispose of needles discreetly
- L'Equipe: claimed Lance's 1999 urine samples contained EPO
- Mike Anderson: former assistant/mechanic claims to have found steriods in Lance's possesion.


Other accusations, circumstantial evidence, etc.
- L'Equipe: found Actovegin in USPS trash
- Former teammates busted for doping at some point in their careers: Hamilton, Heras

I have given Lance the benefit of the doubt in the past, but I can no longer believe all of this can be explained away.
 

· Genitive Declensioner
Joined
·
12,158 Posts
MWT said:
Off the top of my head, I recall the following allegations regarding Lance & doping:

- Swart: former Motorola teammate claims to have done EPO with him
- Andreus: claim he admitted to taking PEDs in the pre-cancer days
- O'Relly: former soigneur claims she was asked to dispose of needles discreetly
- L'Equipe: claimed Lance's 1999 urine samples contained EPO
- Mike Anderson: former assistant/mechanic claims to have found steriods in Lance's possesion.


Other accusations, circumstantial evidence, etc.
- L'Equipe: found Actovegin in USPS trash
- Former teammates busted for doping at some point in their careers: Hamilton, Heras

I have given Lance the benefit of the doubt in the past, but I can no longer believe all of this can be explained away.
L'Equipe is about as credible a source as a back alley junkie....and all of these people are just good hearted souls who thought they were best buds with LA with nothing to gain and every thing to lose.....I have some great beach front property in Louisiana for you too...........I hope you never serve on a jury


Where is the proof? So many willing to convict on nothing more than conjecture. Sad.

/still waiting for the proof
 
1 - 20 of 95 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top