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(no, not a reference to the after-effects of my local Mexican restaurant...)

For seemingly ages now, everyone has told me that A Game of Thrones is "ZOMG! Teh awesomes!!!", and from the look in all their eyes, I knew this was very likely true, but I had NEVER gotten around to watching it.

Then last week I finally did. Wow. Did. not. know. :eek:

FIrst off, I'm almost cryin' because I was only able to plow through Season 1... no S2 for me until I either get an HBO sub or decide to be a bastid and torrent it. And I hear S2 is even better than S1 in most every respect. Waah. :cryin:

Forgive my johnny-come-lately-ness, but I'm surprised that there's something this good in the fantasy genre on television. Especially after Camelot went down like a ton of bricks (wotta stinker).

Sure, it's not perfect, but it's pretty darn strong, and, refreshingly, it nearly always treats the viewer like a mature, thinking adult. It's such a nice hybrid of vicious medieval court intrigue and LOTR-like fantasy elements... Shakespeare meets Tolkein... yet without the overt fantasy elements drawing attention to themselves.

You literally forget you're watching a fantasy series at times. Clever.

My only problems with it initially were

1) the sprawling plot and tons and tons of characters and locations, you kinda need a scorecard to keep everything straight if you have not read the books (but it all falls into place over time), and

2) early on, it feels like there aren't a lot of sympathetic characters to root for (it took me awhile to warm up to Ned Stark), but that too fades over time... I now really dig Arya, Rob, Lady Stark, John Snow, and even Daenerys, who seems fated to cause a ton of problems and ultimately be a tragic character.

And of course, everyone loves Peter Dinklage as the imp who's a pimp. :yesnod:

(surprisingly, he's 4'5" in real life... on the show, they make it seem like he's three feet tall or something. The 'half man' is actually three-quarters of a man, not that it matters)

Of course, you can not only root for characters but against 'em, and AGOT has so many ppl you do want to see get run through the heart or chopped up into tiny pieces, beginning with King Joffrey, or most any Lannister, really.

I guess a third problem I have though is that Season 1, good as it is, wound up feeling like extended set-up for Season 2... nothing really gets resolved, and so many machinations are set in motion. I guess that's a real problem with having these uber-short ten episode seasons.

On the plus side, it helps them keep the quality up, but geezus... even The Sopranos had mostly 13-episode seasons. Perhaps the expense of the show (epic scale, and significant special effects) plays a role in that... word is HBO spends $50-60 million a season on AGOT. They're 'all in', which is great.

I also liked how they were willing to kill off their ostensible 'main character' Lord Stark in episode 9... can't take a thing for granted going forward.

Yeah, I'm a johnny-come-lately, but a thankful one. Now, how to get my hands on S2...



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also, every though you hate the lannisters, tyrion and jamie end up being my favorites.
Of course, Tyrion gets a pass on being a Lannister. Duh.

Jamie, I dunno. Pushing little boys out of tower windows whilst incestually boning his sister is a real image problem, at least as of end of S1.

He becomes teh awesome anti-hero in S2? Hmm. I'm skeptical, but we'll see.
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Of course, Tyrion gets a pass on being a Lannister. Duh.

Jamie, I dunno. Pushing little boys out of tower windows whilst incestually boning his sister is a real image problem, at least as of end of S1.

He becomes teh awesome anti-hero in S2? Hmm. I'm skeptical, but we'll see.
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Haven't read the books, huh? Once you do, you'll learn that every character is disposable, the story is never about who you thought it was, and every character you love or hate you end up hating or loving, respectively.
 

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Haven't read the books, huh? Once you do, you'll learn that every character is disposable, the story is never about who you thought it was, and every character you love or hate you end up hating or loving, respectively.
Started the first book already, thanks.
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Of course, Tyrion gets a pass on being a Lannister. Duh.

Jamie, I dunno. Pushing little boys out of tower windows whilst incestually boning his sister is a real image problem, at least as of end of S1.

He becomes teh awesome anti-hero in S2? Hmm. I'm skeptical, but we'll see.
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No, he doesn't. But he has a great dialogue with his cousin in season 2 that has you actually liking him. At least for a little while.

Jamie: "And what was his name....?"
Cat Stark: "Brienne!!!!"
Jamie: "No, that wasn't it."


I wanna see what's under that wildling girl's furs. :blush2:
 

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better get a crib sheet of characters.
and a black marker to cross them off. it gets confusing.

i met the db weiss, one of the show writers, about 10 years back. it was right after lucky wander boy came out. i had picked it up in carlsbad at some cutrate book shop for like $.50. i went to a "reading" he was doing and he was surprised i had read it. i guess it was JUST out or something.

anyway, there were only about 4 other people, one of whom had self-published a book about horrow movies. they chatted a bit about it, and the guy was soliciting advice. that was kinda funny. so after that guy talked his ear off, it was amusing.
"i really wanna do something medieval. wizards and dragons. that sorta stuff."
i thought to myself, "good luck, freak. who read that stuff?

turns out he has also submitted scripts for enders game, halo, and a prequel to i am legend.not saying i would agree with those projects, but i thought wizards and dragons would be dorky.

when i watched party down the martin starr character reminded me of him. tall, thinner, and writing fantasy scripts.

crap. i just read he is doin a script for the remake of they live. that is something i proposed on this forum about 6 years ago.
wtf?
 

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the books are better

also, every though you hate the lannisters, tyrion and jamie end up being my favorites.
+1

Starting out on the journey, I never woulda thought.

Ditto with Brienne.

...and Arya

I'm not sayin nuthin, but keep watching/reading. :nod

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better get a crib sheet of characters.
and a black marker to cross them off. it gets confusing.

i met the db weiss, one of the show writers, about 10 years back. it was right after lucky wander boy came out. i had picked it up in carlsbad at some cutrate book shop for like $.50. i went to a "reading" he was doing and he was surprised i had read it. i guess it was JUST out or something.

anyway, there were only about 4 other people, one of whom had self-published a book about horrow movies. they chatted a bit about it, and the guy was soliciting advice. that was kinda funny. so after that guy talked his ear off, it was amusing.
"i really wanna do something medieval. wizards and dragons. that sorta stuff."
i thought to myself, "good luck, freak. who read that stuff?

turns out he has also submitted scripts for enders game, halo, and a prequel to i am legend.not saying i would agree with those projects, but i thought wizards and dragons would be dorky.

when i watched party down the martin starr character reminded me of him. tall, thinner, and writing fantasy scripts.

crap. i just read he is doin a script for the remake of they live. that is something i proposed on this forum about 6 years ago.
wtf?
Is your caps button broken?
 

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Can YOU say BSC?!

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that's Bat S^&t Crazy.
Yep. I'm only partway into S2, and she's really starting to creep me out already.

Even though she wasn't the one who went all King Herod on Robert's bastards. :eek6:
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i met the db weiss, one of the show writers, about 10 years back. it was right after lucky wander boy came out. i had picked it up in carlsbad at some cutrate book shop for like $.50. i went to a "reading" he was doing and he was surprised i had read it. i guess it was JUST out or something.

anyway, there were only about 4 other people, one of whom had self-published a book about horrow movies. they chatted a bit about it, and the guy was soliciting advice. that was kinda funny. so after that guy talked his ear off, it was amusing.

"i really wanna do something medieval. wizards and dragons. that sorta stuff."
i thought to myself, "good luck, freak. who read that stuff?
Yeah, wow... just more proof that you never know who's gonna hit it big. Or what genre is gonna be huge, even.

It's kinda funny in retrospect that you thought that wizards n' dragons n' magic would be dorky and flop. That was certainly true for a very long time, but then the Lord of the Rings films came out around the time you encountered Weiss, and did $3 billion in worldwide box office between 'em(!).

And the Harry Potter series of flicks started about the same time, and sealed the deal, matching LOTR's '$1 billion in WW box office per film' clip. Cha-ching!

Now fantasy and magic is a big and legit genre... it's just kinda hard to do well, that's all. But they did it. Gol-damn.

And of course, everyone's waiting for The Hobbit (Part 1) to come out this December. That'll be absolutely HUGE, if it's any good it'll probably do Deathly Hallows-type numbers, at least. :eek:


ps- But don't feel bad weltyed... I myself continue to be mystified by the enduring popularity of Will Smith. I think the guy mugs for the camera in that insipid 'I'm cool because ppl say I am' -way more than anyone since Burt Reynolds... and that's saying something. Bleah. :prrr:
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Haven't read the books, huh? Once you do, you'll learn that every character is disposable, the story is never about who you thought it was, and every character you love or hate you end up hating or loving, respectively.
This is a good summation. The books are teh awesome! Funny how you can hate someone then love them then feel sad when they die .............then you find out they aren't dead.....or aRe they?
 

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This is a good summation. The books are teh awesome! Funny how you can hate someone then love them then feel sad when they die .............then you find out they aren't dead.....or aRe they?
Now now. Don't give away ALL the plotlines!

I was disappointed after reading Dance with Dragons. I'm hoping we don't have another Wheel of Time on our hands. IOW goes round and round but doesn't really get anywhere.

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I usually get bored stiff by sword & sorcery stuff, have never sat through a single LOR flick. Not getting moist about The Hobbit either. But this stuff is the bollox! Intrigue, action, dwarves with rakish humour, rakes with no humour (Jamie Lannister), Yorkshire accents (Sean Bean), Home Counties accents (his daughters..WTF??). A snivelling prince that needs slapping into eternity (Joffrey), and more boobies than Creaky's wildest dreams. It works. A friend has burned nearly all of season 2 for me and is dropping it off tomorrow. Cannot wait.

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