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I've tried getting into it...caught a few random episodes from Season 1. But, whenever I suggest to any of my friends that we re-watch Season 1 so I can catch up on it, they always laugh and say that re-watching will ruin it or something.
 

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The book author, George R.R. Martin, was a script writer. I know he worked on the TV adaptation of Beauty and the Beast, not sure what else. He has another franchise series called Wild Cards that is very similar to Heroes. Given the success of GoT it wouldn't surprise me to see Wild Cards come to the screen in a few years.

Unfortunately all this extracurricular stuff has the GoT books coming out at a snail's pace.
 

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The book author, George R.R. Martin, was a script writer. I know he worked on the TV adaptation of Beauty and the Beast, not sure what else. He has another franchise series called Wild Cards that is very similar to Heroes. Given the success of GoT it wouldn't surprise me to see Wild Cards come to the screen in a few years.

Unfortunately all this extracurricular stuff has the GoT books coming out at a snail's pace.
But he's getting away with it.

In fact, he's even being called "the American Tolkein", and by sober-minded ppl too. Pretty hard to think of higher praise than that for a writer in the fantasy genre. Except for...

...some are even saying he's "better than Tolkein". I don't know about that. Seems like that gets said of a fantasy writer every once in awhile, and it never quite winds up being true.

It's like saying there's a better running back than Jim Brown. There will never be a better running back than Jim Brown. :cool:
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I've tried getting into it...caught a few random episodes from Season 1. But, whenever I suggest to any of my friends that we re-watch Season 1 so I can catch up on it, they always laugh and say that re-watching will ruin it or something.
You need new friends then. :nono:

And even as a relative AGOT n00b, I can tell you that catching episodes randomly doesn't really work too well. You gotta watch 'em in order (unless you've read the books). There is SO MUCH going on, it's easy to get confused even if you ARE watching them in order. :eek:

Especially in Season 2.

Found myself the other day downloading some huge fan-created AGOT 'Speculative Map of the World', just so I could keep all the places straight.
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Started season one last night, really good so far. Tyrion character is really well done, as is the ass prince Joffrey. I've read the first three books, so it was pretty easy to follow along. It's been a few months or a year since I finished the books, so I can't recall major differences, but the story line is right on with the books as far as I can recall.

Watching them on HBO Go, which is awesome so far. Most of season two is up too, looking forward to that.

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Use Putlocker or Sockshare, they are the best links!

I can't seem to get myself into this show. I've tried and put me to sleep within 10 mins.

You should try give Once Upon A Time a try. I don't watch a lot of tv but, this was pretty good.
I dunno... Once Upon A Time looks pretty good, but it also seems like it'd probably be 'fantasy lite', as you'd expect from the venue.

Network TV vs premium cable? C'mon.
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Well, thanks to illegal sites and Keoki, I'm fully caught up. Have only to wait for the Season 2 finale, which is this Sunday.

Having now seen it, I don't think I agree at all with the ppl who say Season 2 is 'vastly superior' to Season 1.

More like 'as good', but with 'more stuff'. As in, just a dizzying array of people, places, and plots.

This is awesome in a way, as you're now getting a much more fleshed-out world (which is something J.R.R. Tolkein's books did so well, for instance, and which made him the 'gold standard' in fantasy).

But it's also kinda bad in that since airtime is split among SO MANY character and subplots, none of the individual subplots tend to progress very fast. In fact, some, like Daenerys' and Jon Snow's, seem to be moving at a relative snail's pace at times.

It's not a TERRIBLE thing, per se, as this is pretty frickin' nice world to get lost in. And they did resolve some stuff in the penultimate episode of S2, with the Battle of Blackwater Bay. Which was also A Game of Thrones FINALLY giving us a big, bad 'Braveheart'-type battle scene (albeit partly on water), instead of their usual 'you just get to see the aftermath' cop-out, which they did several times in S2 for budget reasons.

I dunno, HBO... it's certainly a very good show, but you're going to have to give us more stuff like that if you want us to stick around for the next five seasons or whatever you're planning.

And yes, of course, Tyrion was brilliant in the episode. Peter Dinklage pwns j00. :yesnod:
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You had me at Peter Dinklage. Too bad we don't have HBO! Might have to follow that link....

But I don't have the patience to get immersed in a series. When I started following The Sopranos, they had to take a season off, and then I forgot to tune in when they came back, so I was thrown off.
 

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And they did resolve some stuff in the penultimate episode of S2, with the Battle of Blackwater Bay. Which was also A Game of Thrones FINALLY giving us a big, bad 'Braveheart'-type battle scene (albeit partly on water), instead of their usual 'you just get to see the aftermath' cop-out, which they did several times in S2 for budget reasons.
They have most battles off camera OR at night for budget reasons. You don't have to CGI stuff you can't see.
 

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I read all the books before I saw the show.....to me the shows are only OK.

Whover said you end up liking characters you started out hating and vice versa.....good summary.

The books are coming out at a snails pace a la wheel of time.....but they have proved to be worth the wait. I'm still trying to figure out the end game. The last scene in the last book blew my mind and was totally unexpected.

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They have most battles off camera OR at night for budget reasons. You don't have to CGI stuff you can't see.
Yah, I know. But I'm okay with the big battles happening at night, so long as we got "x thousand guys fighting x thousand guys gargle bargle FREEEEEEDOM gargle bargle let slip the dogs of war! bargle CHAAAAAAARRGE!!!!! *utter chaos ensues*". :smilewinkgrin:

And y'know, don't tell me you don't feel the cop-out thing when, up 'til S2E9, they keep NEVER showing you the big battles. It's one of those things you can get away with a few times, but after awhile, the audience smacks its collective forehead and goes, "C'MON!!!". :skep:

And yes, I say this as someone who enjoys AGOT for far more than the spectacle.
You kinda have to, the way they're doing it.


(but LOTR/The Battle of Minas Tirith comparisons are inevitable)
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i have to disagree with the people upset that we dont see battle scenes. i like not seeing them. i find battle scenes are done to death (HA!), and they actually kind of bore me. nowadays there is way too much cgi in them. i think what they have done, even if it is due to budgeting, is the right thing. we dont see much large fighting, so when we do it is good. plus it is not millions of people.

thats the other thing; i also dont like the thousands upon thousands of soldiers they show in most "epic" battle sequences. in that claptrap "troy" they showed like 10,000 ships. whatever.
 

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i have to disagree with the people upset that we dont see battle scenes. i like not seeing them.
I'm okay with a lot of big battle scenes going unseen... just not ALL of them.

Because then it's like, "Do big battles actually ever happen in this world, or do ppl just stand around talking about them afterwards?". Hmm.

At some point, ducking the big battle scene becomes sort of self-parodying. They've ducked it for nearly two seasons now, that was long enough.

I do agree that they're hard to do well. I don't think the Blackwater battle would've been nearly as good without Tyrion being front n' center.
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Well, thanks to some sites, I'm fully caught up. Have only to wait for the Season 2 finale, which is this Sunday.

Having now seen it, I don't think I agree at all with the ppl who say Season 2 is 'vastly superior' to Season 1.

More like 'as good', but with 'more stuff'. As in, just a dizzying array of people, places, and plots.

This is awesome in a way, as you're now getting a much more fleshed-out world (which is something J.R.R. Tolkein's books did so well, for instance, and which made him the 'gold standard' in fantasy).

But it's also kinda bad in that since airtime is split among SO MANY character and subplots, none of the individual subplots tend to progress very fast. In fact, some, like Daenerys' and Jon Snow's, seem to be moving at a relative snail's pace at times.

It's not a TERRIBLE thing, per se, as this is pretty frickin' nice world to get lost in. And they did resolve some stuff in the penultimate episode of S2, with the Battle of Blackwater Bay. Which was also A Game of Thrones FINALLY giving us a big, bad 'Braveheart'-type battle scene (albeit partly on water), instead of their usual 'you just get to see the aftermath' cop-out, which they did several times in S2 for budget reasons.

I dunno, HBO... it's certainly a very good show, but you're going to have to give us more stuff like that if you want us to stick around for the next five seasons or whatever you're planning.

And yes, of course, Tyrion was brilliant in the episode. Peter Dinklage pwns j00. :yesnod:
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i have to disagree with the people upset that we dont see battle scenes. i like not seeing them. i find battle scenes are done to death (HA!), and they actually kind of bore me. nowadays there is way too much cgi in them. i think what they have done, even if it is due to budgeting, is the right thing. we dont see much large fighting, so when we do it is good. plus it is not millions of people.

thats the other thing; i also dont like the thousands upon thousands of soldiers they show in most "epic" battle sequences. in that claptrap "troy" they showed like 10,000 ships. whatever.
I'm good with this too. The occasional battle scene is good, like this last week's episode, but I mean, still, it was only a very brief, narrowly focused look at one part of the battle, and then, bam, Tywin and his men riode in, "the battles over, we've won" and that's it.

For me, the joy in Game of Thrones is the dialogue. Take the episode a couple weeks ago, where practically nothing happened. But oooooh, what great scenes we had, with actors just chewing great dialogue. Every scene with Jon Snow and the wildling girl, Tywin and Arya, and best of all, the Kingslayer and his cousin in the cage. It's like The Wire in that way. Smart, literate, you have to pay attention to follow along and understand what's going on.

And there's always a great quotable line or two in every episode. "Those are brave men knocking at our door. Let's go kill them!!!!" Or, see my sig line.

The sets and scenery are great as well.

Edit: it's being re-run on one of the HBO channels this very minute.
 

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Meh, I've been watching it, online, and it's not terrible, but it reminds me how Great Deadwood was.
Nothing has been as good as Deadwood.
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But he's getting away with it.

In fact, he's even being called "the American Tolkein", and by sober-minded ppl too. Pretty hard to think of higher praise than that for a writer in the fantasy genre. Except for...

...some are even saying he's "better than Tolkein". I don't know about that. Seems like that gets said of a fantasy writer every once in awhile, and it never quite winds up being true.

It's like saying there's a better running back than Jim Brown. There will never be a better running back than Jim Brown. :cool:
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What creeps me out about GRRM is his penchant for sexualizing 14 year olds. In and of itself, there are a million reasons why 14 was once a dividing line between innocence and the loss thereof--but then you look at his picture on the inside of the book sleeve and you can't help but feel that this guy might drive a panel van advertising free candy on the side :D

you can't directly compare tolkein and martin. for one, tolkein's writing style is a completely different monster--but stylistic differences aside, once GRRM develops an entirely new language and a few dialects (Tolkein's appendices on elvish linguistics borders on madness) as well as 2 entire collections of assorted writings that take up 2500 pages published posthumously that mostly serve as back stories to back stories (Book of Lost Tales I & II), then he might be on the level. What makes Tolkein special, in my mind, is the sheer depth and breadth of the worlds he created, from the supernatural to minutiae.

with "a song of fire and ice", there are plenty of opportunities to greatly expand on the history of westeros or other regions (how many cool stories could be written about the targaryens or the old world full of dragons, or the children of the forest, etc), but i doubt martin will ever finish any supplementary histories or flesh out the rest of the world more since it takes him 6 years to write 1 book.

I read all the books before I saw the show.....to me the shows are only OK.

Whover said you end up liking characters you started out hating and vice versa.....good summary.

The books are coming out at a snails pace a la wheel of time.....but they have proved to be worth the wait. I'm still trying to figure out the end game. The last scene in the last book blew my mind and was totally unexpected.

Len
I'm impatiently waiting on book 6, if it ever comes out.

the shows do a pretty good job as far as adaptations go. The casting is pitch perfect, with Danaerys, Jamie, Ned, Robert Baratheon, Jon Snow, Cersei, Shae and of course, Tyrion--being good to perfect choices.

for the TV only fans of the show, all i have to say is be prepared to be disappointed, heartbroken, or utterly shocked.
 
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