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Jaime explaining why he killed the Mad King. Sounds just like Daenerys.

“Have you heard of wildfire? The Mad King was obsessed with it," Lannister said. "He loved to watch people burn, the way their skin blackened and blistered and melted off their bones. He burned lords he didn’t like. He burned hands who disobeyed him. He burned anyone who was against him. Before long, half the country was against him. Aerys saw traitors everywhere. So he had his pyromancers place caches of wildfire all over the city. Beneath the Sept of Baelor and the slums of Flea Bottom. Under houses, stables, taverns. Even beneath the Red Keep itself.”

 

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Daenerys going full on Mad Queen was awesome, and inevitable. Best part of the show/season. And makes complete sense. I just think how they got there was pretty lame and lazy.
Sums it up. Sadly. :(


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Well, the show runners have said she lost it and went off, so there's that.
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But, I have seen some people saying what she did was very rational. And their arguments make sense too.

People are clearly trying to put Jon on the throne, well before the burning. Even though he does not want it, she knows people are striving to do it.

The North is ripe for rebellion, which would be troublesome for a new Queen to say the least. Especially since they won't have the wall and what is on the other side to keep them busy up there.

There's only one dragon left, so Jon doesn't have one to ride anymore.

By showing the sheer POWER OF Drogon, she gives everyone something to fear. Every, single, person no matter what station they hold.

When she sits on the throne, only that fear will let her keep it. Nobles will fear her taking everything they hold before someone gets her, freezing them from making a move.

This read makes her actions far more strategically sensible and rational. This would explain the terror tactics as opposed to going right for the Red Keep for a decapitating strike. Coldly rational, in the only way forward to take and hold power she sees, given other paths seem likely to lead to failure sooner rather than later.

As I said, that is not the explicit show narrative, but it is one that fits the situation.

Hmm... feels like 'math we do as fans to make ourself feel better'. :nonod:

In other words, the show didn't give us the development we needed to see to believe in Dany's 'Mad Queen' turn (and the occasional foreshadowing does NOT equal such development), so, we have to invent other explanations. Such as 'it was a POWER move, Dany was being strategic, in her own very ruthless way'.

Except that, the showrunners never got that memo. As you say, they explained it as 'Dany saw the Red Keep, and got angry'. And, watching the scene, Dany indeed sees the Red Keep, she cries, and then snarls, and then she and Drogon take off and go all 9/11 on King's Landing.

IOW, it was an emotional decision, not a strategic one. And Dany really is her father's daughter, as the scene actually plays.

Which is GREAT, actually, narratively-speaking, even as heart-rending as it is for all of us that have identified with the character for all these years. But it's an unearned turn in the show, because the showrunners fumbled the ball. Badly.

Fade to black.

And then buy the books (whenever they come out) because that's the only way we'll ever get true closure on this. I don't have high hopes for the final ep, except to look beyond the showrunners' bad execution to the bones of what GRRM intended.

I think it's all we really have at this point.


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At least the memes are still good...

























 

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...and Ghost, a bit jealous of the Rhaegal–Jon relationship...





 

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That Euron meme is great. In the books he seemed like a cool character (maybe I'm remembering it wrong as it was a while ago). In the show he is just a giant douche.

As I said, I could understand her doing it as a power move. I wouldn't have liked her decision to do so like I didn't like her burning the Tarley's or Varys for that matter, but it would have fit the character. It would have made more sense with how her character has developed over the first 7 seasons, but that was obviously not how they depicted it in that last episode at all.

The visuals of her acting it out were great along with the destruction, but story wise none of the obvious forced build up to madness this season worked for me. It is similar to Luke believing he can turn darth f'n Vader from the darkside but giving up all hope on his nephew and going into exile to squeeze milk out of alien boobs while his nephew destroys everything he built.:rolleyes: It just didn't fit the character.

That change.org petition is up past 400,000 votes now too.
 

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That episode just screamed "how fast can we be done". Besides not addressing a lot of the things that we wanted to know, including several events in this season alone they just made just about everyone pointless. I also got a similar vibe of them wanting to do something different for the sake of being different instead of ending things how they should have ended based on the characters they developed the other 7 seasons.

The fact that Bran has the powers he does and was playing the game of thrones makes him an incredibly evil little **** for allowing everything that happened to happen just so he could get the throne.

So many plot points completely wasted, Jon is a Targaryen but in the end that served no purpose other than to aid in Dany's maddening. Arya and her Horse last episode, completely pointless. Bran worging into crows for winterfell battle. Nightking with no explanation. North being its own kindgom seemed completely random (yes I know originally way way back they were it just didn't make sense in terms of the story so they could crown Sansa?).

Bran needing a master of whispers? Really?

So many things wrong, just barely scratching the surface.
 

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That episode just screamed "how fast can we be done". Besides not addressing a lot of the things that we wanted to know, including several events in this season alone they just made just about everyone pointless.
You do know that if universal expansion keeps pace and Super Black Holes evaporate over trillions of centuries, that this is the fate of the known Universe in a long drawn out but foreseeable future. yay!
 

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The ending had a number of weird turns for sure, including after seasons of wanting nothing to do with basically everything, the three eyed raven is cool with being king. I liked a couple of things though, like the sfx mentioned above, John walking off into the sunset with the free folk, the Unsullied being free of direct control (kind of), and Sansa being queen of an independent North. Everything else was kind of wonky and felt rushed.
 

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It was all just so....lazy. I mean, you go and change up Dany's makeup to sell the whole "mad queen" thing, then have her back this episode looking radiant, saying all the right things again? Why not at least have her acting a little twitchy? Instead you have her saying inspiring **** to the conquering masses? Dumb, lazy, and inconsistent. It would've made the sell of Jon killing her more believable. And that scene? Could you be more obvious?

Drogon somehow intuiting that Jon gets a pass was moronic and lazy, too. Why not have the dragon fry him (more consistent with the show roots)? You even have not one, but two, already installed plot devices that save you from butthurting the Snow fanbois/girls; he can't die or he's immune to the fire since he's Targaryean. Writers, you're welcome.

Sansa gets to secede? How about staying true to character (obvious problem lately) and having her respectfully respond with a 'nay', thereby still allowing Bran to assume role of King (they had a quorum already) while also showing she still had ambivalence about her perceived diminished authority? Again writers, you're welcome.

The signing off vignettes could've only been more drecky had they paused them and added text saying what happens to each character in the future, ala 'Animal House.'

Easily surpassed The Sopranos as the worst series finale I've ever seen. So disappointed, and I had low expectations.
 

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Easily surpassed The Sopranos as the worst series finale I've ever seen. So disappointed, and I had low expectations.
Soprano's was the best series finale and those that didn't get it, didn't really watch the show. David Chase spelled it out for years.
 

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Inspiring chit? That's what you got from that? I got a whole Hitler Nuremberg Rally vibe from it, the quest for never-ending war by a leader who wouldn't be happy until the entire world was subjugated under her will.

And you could tell right away that it was Jon stabbing Dany. While they're groping he sorta twists to the right to free up his hand to draw the dagger.
 

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Soprano's was the best series finale and those that didn't get it, didn't really watch the show. David Chase spelled it out for years.
I agree. The finale is what I expected. It was satisfying. Anything different would invite comparisons to the Sopranos (Best finale EVAR!). Areya's ending was stoopid (she's now gonna wander west Westoros like Kaine from Kung-Fu dishing out wisdom and crazy ninja justice, I suppose). I admit to getting a little teary eyed seeing Jon and Ghost disappearing into the northern woods.
 

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I got a whole Hitler Nuremberg Rally vibe from it, ...
Yep. Strongly so. On point, but rather obvious as much of the symbolism of the final season was.

I will say the shot with Drogon's wings behind Dany was cool.

Hmmm, what else?

Tyrion got to "see something others missed", putting Bran forth to solve the problem posed.

I think Drogon didn't torch Jon because Targaryan blood is dragon controlling. So he couldn't.

The final season was pretty good at times, but mostly felt like "good fantasy". Which was quite a few levels down from the previous seasons. Better as a whole than I EVER would have expected going in, so there's that.

And.... glad it's over.
 

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Just to show how far away I'd gotten past GoT over the past year or so, I never had the slightest idea who the young guy in the wheelchair was; the guy who always sat silently during the scenes where the bigwigs would have their confabs, a bemused expression on his face. I nicknamed him "The Beatle" after his haircut. I truly had a laugh when the guy was proclaimed the new leader of Westeros. Huh? Wha?
 

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You do know that if universal expansion keeps pace and Super Black Holes evaporate over trillions of centuries, that this is the fate of the known Universe in a long drawn out but foreseeable future. yay!
Don't know what drugs you're on but I want some. :)
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Sigh. Too depressed about the 'Cliff Notes version of Game of Thrones' finale (and season) that we got to even delve into all the things that sucked about it (or even the few things that were cool). Maybe in a couple of days.

But yeah, Benioff and Weiss rushed to the finish over the past two seasons, and it really REALLY showed, most especially in the finale. They really shortchanged the biggest show on TV, and will always be remembered for that. :mad:

Star Wars fans, good luck with your franchise, pretty sure B&W are going to ruin it too once their trilogy of SW films shows up, beginning in 2022 as scheduled.

And, since some would say that the SW franchise is already on pretty shaky ground thanks to a long string of mediocre films, perhaps B&W will wind up killing it off entirely. Which'll be impressive in a morbid sort of way, as even Jar Jar Binks couldn't quite accomplish that.

Wheee.
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