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Yesterday's TT threw up a big surprise for me – the top GC guys got huge time put into them by riders they would have expected to beat. Not one of the top 10 GC guys finished in the top 10 of the TT (Contador was the highest placed top 10 GC finisher at 39 seconds). I can't remember the last time this happened in a grand tour TT (if ever). All of which leads me to believe that perhaps the conditions early on were more favourable (tail wind perhaps) or else the GC guys were knackered after three weeks of aggressive racing. Thoughts?
 

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First off, there are no GC guys who can TT well other than Contador and Menchov perhaps.

Menchov was probably not really going too hard as he knew he could just take Sella's spot overall with a normal effort.

Contador rode to prove he was really good and really, that's about as good as he is. Maybe if he was fully prepared, he'd crack th top 10 but that's all. 39 secs down is pretty good and he's not a super time trialist too so to speak.
 

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uzziefly said:
First off, there are no GC guys who can TT well other than Contador and Menchov perhaps.

Menchov was probably not really going too hard as he knew he could just take Sella's spot overall with a normal effort.

Contador rode to prove he was really good and really, that's about as good as he is. Maybe if he was fully prepared, he'd crack th top 10 but that's all. 39 secs down is pretty good and he's not a super time trialist too so to speak.
Come, come Uzzie, think before you type. Marzio Bruseghin was third overall and he lost 1.33 on the day. And this after he won the Stage 10 TT and finished 7th in the mountain TT (stage 16). He also won the mountain TT in last year's Giro. I think that qualifies him as a pretty good tester, don't you?
 

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lamazion said:
Two mountain stages with aggressive riding just prior to the TT.
Yeah, I bet there were tired legs, especially for the top GC guys. But think about: The highest placed finisher of the top 10 GC contenders was Contador in 11th. The next best was Menchov in 25th. I bet that's never happend in any grand tour before. Very surprising.
 

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Come, come Uzzie, think before you type. Marzio Bruseghin was third overall and he lost 1.33 on the day. And this after he won the Stage 10 TT and finished 7th in the mountain TT (stage 16). He also won the mountain TT in last year's Giro. I think that qualifies him as a pretty good tester, don't you?
But Contador is a climber so the mountain stages took less of an effect of him vs. Bruseghin who hard to haul himself over in those stages.

Menchov - my best guess is he was not so ready as well and the mountains took him out plus he only wanted to ride to beat Sella as well.

And, add that to the High Road guys who rode well easy in the mountains so they can go all out for the TT, not too surprising but nonetheless, still not really non surprising totally as well.

That's what I meant.

But for Levi, well, he was well out of the GC anyway after a little while and clearly did not have the legs at all even at the Tour de Gerogia where he got beaten by Trent Lowe (no disrespect to him at all since he has gotten much better but Levi should have been able to beat him on a good day so that's my point) rather kinda easily so to speak.

Maybe Levi is declining in form due to age? It doesn't seem as he has got really good legs this year. Or perhaps, the focus is on the Dauphine and the Vuelta.. :idea:

And, back to the topic, which GC guys can TT well anyway besides Contador and Menchov? (Bruseghin can't be counted coz he well, already was suffering come the last day. :p )
 

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Except levi took it easy on those 2 mountain stages and still had no legs.

Those High Road guys took it really easy the 2 days b4 and had really good ITT ;)
I think "take it easy" isn't really the right term.

Yes he didn't contend for the win on the stages, however Levi (as well as the entire Astana team) was on the front for almost the entirety of both of those stages until the point when he was toast from pushing the pace and then he rode into the end of the stage behind the lead group.

"Taking it easy" is Cippo forming the gruppeto mid-way into a stage, I don't think anybody on Astana took it very easy the last days of the Giro as they were all under form but still pushing domestique duty to control the race as best they could for Contador.
 

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Kris Flatlander said:
I think "take it easy" isn't really the right term.

Yes he didn't contend for the win on the stages, however Levi (as well as the entire Astana team) was on the front for almost the entirety of both of those stages until the point when he was toast from pushing the pace and then he rode into the end of the stage behind the lead group.

"Taking it easy" is Cippo forming the gruppeto mid-way into a stage, I don't think anybody on Astana took it very easy the last days of the Giro as they were all under form but still pushing domestique duty to control the race as best they could for Contador.
Right. I think bas just meant he went easier and not slacked off for sure.

They worked their butts off for Contador and that's why it was really a team victory in many ways too.

Heck, even Contador had to grit his teeth so hard on certain climbs just so he'd not put his team's effort to waste.

But I also think Levi was just not having it to go on the final ITT and hence, his poorer showing than if he had just went easy without any sore legs.
 

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uzziefly said:
But I also think Levi was just not having it to go on the final ITT and hence, his poorer showing than if he had just went easy without any sore legs.
I can agree with that Levi is definitely under the form (even without Giro prep) that he should have. Here's hoping for a good Dauphine.

EDIT: I was just looking at the Giro TT results again, Bennati in 7th at 24 seconds back, anyone else surprised?
 

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Kris Flatlander said:
I can agree with that Levi is definitely under the form (even without Giro prep) that he should have. Here's hoping for a good Dauphine.

EDIT: I was just looking at the Giro TT results again, Bennati in 7th at 24 seconds back, anyone else surprised?
Naa. On paper it was a good course for sprinters. Not too long, not too technical, and the profile appears to lose elevation the whole way. If I recall, Cavendish had a decent placing too.
 

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It was basically a drag race at the end of a GT tailor made for climbers. I was surprised Contador didn't finish lower with some of the great TT specialists in the race. That course did not play to his talents at all.
 
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