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I've been looking into buying a Garmin and I have a beef with these units. If Garmin is going to put out a "GPS" unit, it should AT LEAST have navigation. All the lower end models have features that are already on my cheap Odo. Yes, the Garmin has convenience and ease of setup. I can buy a navigational Garmin for my car for $150, but if I want one for the bike, the price is way out there.
Anyways... Grrrrrrrr.
 

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My 705 has navigation.

I fell asleep on the subway on my way home at 2 in the morning.

I woke up and realized I was in a part of Brooklyn I had never been in.

I did not want to wait for the next train going back to my stop so I turned the 705 on and set home as the destination and followed the arrows until I knew where I was.
 

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I ride with an Edge 500. Navigation would be nice. But I chose the product I bought. Sounds like you want it all for cheap. Save up and get the one you want. Or you can buy a Nuvi and mount it to your bike. Then you get what you want what you want to pay for it.Free will!!!!
 

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It's called economy of scale.

Lets face it, not many want to toss $200 at a bike computer. It seem crazy for most except for the enthusiast level.

So, with fewer units, it's more cost per unit.

Then, the battery plays a part. In a car, there is almost always power to plug into. On a bike, not.......... So, the battery in the car unit it minimal. My car Garmin says 2 hrs running time IIRC. My Garmin 800 is 15 hrs I think.

Then, there's the need to get it all in a smaller package which adds to the cost.

I think the Garmins are priced high, but I just saved my money, waited for a sale and dove in head first for the 800.
 

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I ride with an Edge 500. Navigation would be nice. But I chose the product I bought. Sounds like you want it all for cheap. Save up and get the one you want. Or you can buy a Nuvi and mount it to your bike. Then you get what you want what you want to pay for it.Free will!!!!
Just don't ask him to lead on a new route after 2 hrs. My Nuvi battery will last only about that long.:D
 

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I think I may have found the best of both worlds. I have an old iPhone 4 that isn't being used anymore. The gps still works despite not being connected to a carrier. That combined with a $30 mount, I got a decent gps/cycle computer with a nice large screen that plays music too. Did I mention the battery lasts all day long?
 

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At the risk of rambling...

There's a big difference between navigation that a cheap car unit, or smart phone, does and following a predetermined course. Most people that have tried to use traditional nav on a bike quickly realize that what they want is course following. Sadly, I've found no app for Android that lets me follow a course. Sure I could put in way points out the wazoo to try and convince it to do so but that's not the same thing and it's cumbersome. So to me traditional nav on a bike isn't what I want. I want course following but am too cheap to spring for a unit that does it. Conversely in the car I don't really want nav ona small display, low processing power, bike unit. A data connected phone rules in the car for nav.

So I think of it as two different tasks for what are usually two different situations. If I could find a phone app to follow a course I'd have the best of both plus everything else you get with a phone.
 

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I had a navigation device once, but it kept blowing off the handle bars and was harder than hell to figure out to fold back up.
 
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At the risk of rambling...

There's a big difference between navigation that a cheap car unit, or smart phone, does and following a predetermined course. Most people that have tried to use traditional nav on a bike quickly realize that what they want is course following. Sadly, I've found no app for Android that lets me follow a course. Sure I could put in way points out the wazoo to try and convince it to do so but that's not the same thing and it's cumbersome. So to me traditional nav on a bike isn't what I want. I want course following but am too cheap to spring for a unit that does it. Conversely in the car I don't really want nav ona small display, low processing power, bike unit. A data connected phone rules in the car for nav.

So I think of it as two different tasks for what are usually two different situations. If I could find a phone app to follow a course I'd have the best of both plus everything else you get with a phone.
A quick search found this, which seems to be what you're looking for. I have no idea how well it works, or what else might be out there.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.matrangola.cuesheet.ui&hl=en
 
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I don't think the consumers of the 500, myself included, are looking for a navigation device.

It is the stored navigation and performance data that is stored by the unit for download that make it worth the cost. A standard navigation device also does not allow for the collection of data (heart rate/power) from third party devices.
 

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I've been looking into buying a Garmin and I have a beef with these units. If Garmin is going to put out a "GPS" unit, it should AT LEAST have navigation. All the lower end models have features that are already on my cheap Odo. Yes, the Garmin has convenience and ease of setup. I can buy a navigational Garmin for my car for $150, but if I want one for the bike, the price is way out there.
Anyways... Grrrrrrrr.
.... the lower end units uses Global Positioning Sensors to track your ride.

GPS does not equal information is transposed onto a visual map
 
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Android app to follow a course is called osmand. Draw route at ridewithgps.com, export to file, put it on your phone. You can turn off the screen and it gives you voice prompts. However, with gps on your phone will not last all day. A few hours maybe.

Garmin 200 can follow a route, it just won't be on top of a map. Some people find it to be "good enough".
 

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You can upload courses to the Edge 500 and it tells you where to go.
Pretty nice.
Whenever I am in an unfamiliar area I look at the map, create a course, upload it and go.
If I get off the course it beeps and and I double back or just explore a bit.

Besides you should really try to know the area you are riding in.
 

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It's called economy of scale.
No, I think it's called market segmentation.

Also, Garmin isn't particularly happy that they have to sell their car GPS devices at $150. That's competitive price pressure leading to margin erosion.

And they're not very happy either that you can do all of these things, though perhaps sub-optimally, on a smart phone.
 

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You kids are doing it wrong. Half the fun of riding your bike is getting lost and finding new routes.

Funny how the focus of our lives seems to be changing so that it is the tools that are important, rather than the purposes for which the tools are designed. I guess I'm getting old. Smart phones, GPS, Strava, et al just seem silly.

Its a bike ride, not a video game.






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Android app to follow a course is called osmand. Draw route at ridewithgps.com, export to file, put it on your phone. You can turn off the screen and it gives you voice prompts. However, with gps on your phone will not last all day. A few hours maybe.
Thanks ! That one seems to have come a long way since I last looked at it. Going to have to check it out. I'd probably use a wired ear piece so as not to have BT and GPS going at the same time. I get more than enough run time with GPS for my rides and would probably only use on vacations when rides aren't more than a few hours anyway.
 

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You kids are doing it wrong. Half the fun of riding your bike is getting lost and finding new routes.

Funny how the focus of our lives seems to be changing so that it is the tools that are important, rather than the purposes for which the tools are designed. I guess I'm getting old. Smart phones, GPS, Strava, et al just seem silly.

Its a bike ride, not a video game.






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...Not a kid at all. (42) The day I decided I wanted a Garmin was when I was 4 hours into an out and back century. So tired that I got confused and would have loved to have some help getting home. So, yeah, no fun at all.

Don't own a mobile phone, so I would have used that.


BTW, I have the WORST sense of direction. I could get lost in my own Bathroom.:cool:
 
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