You guys need to fill me in here, I'm a mountainbiker 80% of the time right now and am not understanding something. I work a road/mtb shop where I've been for almost 7 years now so I have alot of expierence with both really highend mountain and road bikes but just can't see where someone can drop 4g on a road FRAME....frame only! I ride a aluminum Giant TCR with a ****-mix of Chorus and other random parts with the only exception being my AM 350sprint wheels. My frame weighs 1150gms and retails for around 800$ canadian dollhairs, yesterday a regular came in and was excited about some carbon frame that isn't even made by the name on it that costs over two grand and wieghs only 50gms less then my aluminum giant. When I compared my TCR to the other bike in question he scoffed and went off on something else.......The thing that is the best though is that the guys on the Paris's, Colnogo's ect are always bringing up the rear in the training rides we do. I can understand expensive mtb frames, there's pivots and shocks and so on and so forth but I'm having a hard time seeing the point in 2g+ road frames. Or mabye I just want to justify that BMC I want.....help me out here people....And don't use that old "your paying for heritage" mumbojumbo. If I'm paying that much I want something thats gonna make a performance differance and any company can copy anothers frame angles.