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I've decided to buy a trainer, and I've narrowed it down to 3 choices.

1. 2006 CycleOps Fluid2 ($330). Includes trainer mat, bike thong, riser block, CTS video, and a Cateye Astrale 8. Seems like a good choice, especially with all the added stuff.

2. 1up CPR-2000a ($300). From their website, as well as reviews here, it's the best trainer. However, it doesn't come with any accessories.

3. Travel Trac Millennium V Fluid Force with Wireless Display ($300 plus shipping). I like this one because of the computer (it would be the easiest to set-up and use with 2 bikes), and with a coupon, it would probably come to around $300 shipped.


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AppleCyclingComputer said:
I've decided to buy a trainer, and I've narrowed it down to 3 choices.

1. 2006 CycleOps Fluid2 ($330). Includes trainer mat, bike thong, riser block, CTS video, and a Cateye Astrale 8. Seems like a good choice, especially with all the added stuff.

2. 1up CPR-2000a ($300). From their website, as well as reviews here, it's the best trainer. However, it doesn't come with any accessories.

3. Travel Trac Millennium V Fluid Force with Wireless Display ($300 plus shipping). I like this one because of the computer (it would be the easiest to set-up and use with 2 bikes), and with a coupon, it would probably come to around $300 shipped.


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Check out the Kurt Kinetic Fluid Trainer, Just got one and I LOVE it. Lifetime warranty on the unit too. It's a great trainer, and I think I saw one of the advertiser's here on RBR with them for 275. They are normally MSRP for 330. You can also buy a computer for the trainer for about an extra 50 bucks.

www.kurtkinetic.com
 

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AppleCyclingComputer said:
I've decided to buy a trainer, and I've narrowed it down to 3 choices.

1. 2006 CycleOps Fluid2 ($330). Includes trainer mat, bike thong, riser block, CTS video, and a Cateye Astrale 8. Seems like a good choice, especially with all the added stuff.

2. 1up CPR-2000a ($300). From their website, as well as reviews here, it's the best trainer. However, it doesn't come with any accessories.

3. Travel Trac Millennium V Fluid Force with Wireless Display ($300 plus shipping). I like this one because of the computer (it would be the easiest to set-up and use with 2 bikes), and with a coupon, it would probably come to around $300 shipped.


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Hate to throw another option in there, but try out a magnetic trainer as well. I had a fluid trainer, and it eventually (after only 1 season) busted and leaked all over the place, and the fluid is very stinky. For that reason, I was soured on the fluid trainers. But hey, that's just me. They do work very well, but I've found the resistance to be almost as good on the mag trainer.
 

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Happy with 1up

After exhaustive research last spring, I bought the 1up. I have several hundred hours on it and have been very pleased with it. It is smooth and quiet (which my wife appreciates). That being said:
- I found the Fluid 2 equally smooth and I know many people who have used that trainer for years without any leakage problems.
- I have ridden several magnetic trainers while traveling on the east coast this winter and, though they strike me as noticeably inferior (loud and uneven resistance), I had to admit that I would not have been unhappy with them.
- I wish I had medical approval at the time for rollers (I bought the trainer because my orthopedic specialist forbade riding and rollers for 9 months but agreed to a trainer).

If you have to get a trainer, you can't go wrong with the 1up, but don't be surprised if you end up regretting not purchasing rollers.
 

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man, that 1up looks scary! i had never seen one before i just looked it up.... kinda looks like something i could build out in my garage with spare parts...

i guess looks arent everything, as people seem to love 'em...

good prices on the Kurts at that site though...
 

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Check out the Kurt Kinetic Fluid Trainer, Just got one and I LOVE it. Lifetime warranty on the unit too. It's a great trainer, and I think I saw one of the advertiser's here on RBR with them for 275. They are normally MSRP for 330. You can also buy a computer for the trainer for about an extra 50 bucks.

www.kurtkinetic.com
how is that computer? have you found the wattage to be accurate compared to a powertap???

company's brag about the feel of thier trainers...can you expand on this? i guess the only thing i know is my 5 hr old mag trainer....very loud & the tire slips when i sprint....but it gets the job done....
 

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A vote for Cyclops Fluid

I have been riding a Cyclops fluid trrainer since the winter of 1998. I ride about 110 hours a year and it just started leaking a couple of weeks ago. I contacted Saris, they bought Cyclops a few years ago, and they are going to warranty it. I shipped it today and hope to have it back in a week and a half. I have had no issues with it and would not hesitate to purchase another one.
 

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argylesocks said:
how is that computer? have you found the wattage to be accurate compared to a powertap???

company's brag about the feel of thier trainers...can you expand on this? i guess the only thing i know is my 5 hr old mag trainer....very loud & the tire slips when i sprint....but it gets the job done....

bought it, so I can't elaborate too much. I had a mag trainer that was gettting so loud I could hear it outside with the doors closed and the TV up. This thing is wicked smooth and QUIET. I can have the fan on low and I'll hear that above the trainer except for the occasional squeak from the tire. I didn't buy the computer, at least not yet, but it is supposed to be calibrated to the trainer and supposed to be real nice and accurate. One of the supposed advantages to the Kurt is the sealed fluid chamber.
 

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Read the other roller posts here now.

Get rollers - Kreitlers - if you care at all about being as efficient w/ your pedaling as possible.

Kreitlers are 10x better than any trainer period.
 

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Read the other roller posts here now.

Get rollers - Kreitlers - if you care at all about being as efficient w/ your pedaling as possible.

Kreitlers are 10x better than any trainer period.
there is a time & a place for everything (well MOST everything)....
the OP asked about a trainer, not rollers. there is plenty of times i would rather be on a trainer, then rollers. Kreitlers are not always 10x better for every application....
 

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argylesocks said:
there is a time & a place for everything (well MOST everything)....
the OP asked about a trainer, not rollers. there is plenty of times i would rather be on a trainer, then rollers. Kreitlers are not always 10x better for every application....
Agreed. This winter I'm finding that the trainer is really good at forcing me to work through the dead spots. But after a few trainer rides my knees are pretty sore, so it's back to the rollers.

I have a Kinetic and like it. I don't have the computer, but from what I can gather it reads wattage from speed. Kinetic's charts on wattage and speed match my Powertap numbers pretty well, so I imagine their computer is pretty accurate. The one thing it wouldn't register is accelerations. You can 20mph steady is not the same as accelerating past 20mph. I'm guessing the Kinetic computer can't tell the difference between the two.
 

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I have an earlier Performance fluid model and it's held up well. Features I'll look to see again when I replace it: adjustable resistance, spring-loaded roller, ease of set up with multiple bikes.

The 1Up is nicely made and works well, but it didn't work for me because no matter how "realistic" the feel is, I want variable resistance for specific exercises and because it is a pain to set up for a second bike.

The 1Up has only one setting for locking in your skewer. If you use a second bike with wider or narrower dropouts, say one steel and another aluminum, you'll have to get out a wrench and reassemble or keep a wheel around with washers on it to dial in the width.
 

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If anything busts on the Performance trainer, 10 years from now, they will fix it for free.
Ps. I don't even bother with watt readout on mine anymore.
 

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just got a Cycle-Ops

well, i just picked up a Cycle-ops. good deal from my LBS made me choose it over the Kinetic.

first thing: my shop said ANY PROBLEMS, bring it back & they replace the problem part, or give me a new one. this negated the question of any leaking problem for me.

got it home & i had a tough time getting the thing sturdy. i would tighten the locknut & within a min or two, it would loosen & the rear wheel would move a little.

called the shop & they offered immediate replacement.... but i figured i would mess around some more with it.

i ended up using a wrench to stick in the grooves of the axle holder thingy...i could torque it enough to get it really tight. this seemd to fix the problem. everything is really snug now & no movement.

this thing is really quiet & smooth. no wheel slippage (like my old one)
i can put the tv on normal volume & i can hear it & my girlfriend as she talks to me (never used to be able to do that)
 

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If anything busts on the Performance trainer, 10 years from now, they will fix it for free.
Ps. I don't even bother with watt readout on mine anymore.
Are you kidding me? I had an HF500 Travel Trac unit that had some bearings go bad, took it to the local Performance to have them do what I thought would be a simple fix, and they essentially told me I'm SOL.
 

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If you read the small print on the Performance web site. Everything that they sell is covered 100%. A quick call to the corporate hdq. will straighten those chaps out. I've returned so much stuff there, it's not even funny anymore. My last return was one of their "house brand" wheels that I used for 8 months. After the third spoke broke, they exchanged it for an Ultegra-Open Pro rear wheel.
The secret is to keep ALL of your receipts.
You can return things for any reason. The key words are "100% satisfied".
Ps. You can't return things if you crash on them.............
 

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You might look at the Blackburn Fluid Trackstand. I bought one today after some research. I had the bike on it and spinning in about 5 minutes. Very sturdy and easy to dial in. It was $230 at the LBS, but I've seen them online for $180 + shipping (worked out to $215 for me). Resistance is good, and it did not slip when doing intervals. Of course, that all depends on the setup though.
 

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UPDATE: I ended up going with the Performance unit because I liked the idea of having a computer that shows speed and power without me having to run any wires or set-up a computer just for trainer use (which I would have to do with an Astrale 8 or the Kurt Kinetic computer).

The trainer arrived today, and set-up was easy. However, the computer wouldn't work, so Performance customer service said to send it back for an exchange. I have to wait for the return label, wait for them to receive the trainer, then wait for the new trainer to be in stock (should be in March 3rd), and finally wait for it to come to me (and hold my breath the computer works this time).

Other than the computer issue, the trainer seems pretty nice. Quiet, nice resistance, and the mounting system is pretty slick. It also seems like Performance is willing to stand by their product. It's annoying having to wait again for my trainer, but with a working computer, it should be great. If I have more problems with the computer, I'll get a refund and get the Kurt Kinetic. I'll update this again when I get my new unit.
 
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