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The question is where is it going to come off??? pic from the ToC

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In even poorer taste: Only when it's growing out of control. :D
 

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Hincapie going for the Tour is a bad idea.

I know that Big George's epic stage win last year got everyone riled up about an an legit heir to his Lance-ness, but come on.

I can't help but feeling like he'll end up losing any real chance at Flanders and Roubaix by chasing the Tour pipe dream, which including dropping extra weigh. He all but admitted last year that he lost his sprinting ability to help Lance, which may have cost him in the velodrome.

All the same, I hope I'm wrong.
 

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Pablo said:
I know that Big George's epic stage win last year got everyone riled up about an an legit heir to his Lance-ness, but come on.

I can't help but feeling like he'll end up losing any real chance at Flanders and Roubaix by chasing the Tour pipe dream, which including dropping extra weigh. He all but admitted last year that he lost his sprinting ability to help Lance, which may have cost him in the velodrome.

All the same, I hope I'm wrong.

You know... I agree with you. Chasing the TDF will definitely cost him the classics. In the TDF, I don't think he has any chance of winning. 5th place, maybe. He can't hang with the elite climbers and his time trialing is not Top 5 either. Even on his magnificent win on the TDF's Pla d'Adet, it seems like he lost about 5 minutes to the climbers in the final climb.

Likewise, I wish many wins for him in 2006.

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He all but admitted last year that he lost his sprinting ability to help Lance, which may have cost him in the velodrome.
I cheer for Big George as much as the next guy, and he rode an amazing race, but to outsprint Boonen...I don't think George has/had that ability.
 

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On his big mountains win, he was sitting on, not pulling, and had a huge advantage starting the climb. When is the last time we saw him finish with an elite group of climbers during a mountain stage? He can't follow the accelerations, and probably isn't amongst the top 15-20 climbers in the peloton overall. Perhaps shorter stage races like Paris-Nice, as as always, a classics contender, but a 3-week tour where you have to follow attacks in the mountains constantly? I just don't see it happening either-I would love to see him ride off the front, dropping Boonen, and solo to the finish in PR instead!
 

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Maybe I'm missing something.

Did he say he was going for the Tour win? Perhaps he needs to lose weight just to be in support of someone else??(Popovich?)
 

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True enough but . . .

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I cheer for Big George as much as the next guy, and he rode an amazing race, but to outsprint Boonen...I don't think George has/had that ability.
. . . but who's to say. I agree with you that Boonon was on point, and maybe no one could have beat him. But at the very least it seems like Big George is not doing himself any favors for the future.
 

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But then again, when have we seen George in the capicity to climb with fresh legs, and where he hasn't been working his butt off in the preceeding days? He has finished reasonably well in the TTs, and has been able to place pretty well by just sticking around. So, all in all, if Disco is able to shelter him a bit, then we may be able to see him handle some of those accelerations a bit better. The cool thing is that it is not Discovery's TDF any more to lose, they have little or no expectations placed on him. The TDF torch was passed as soon as Lance announced his retirement. So now Basso and Ullrich and the myriad of other upstarts can let THEIR teams do the work. I have ultimate faith in George's ability to outsprint a Basso or a Vinokorouv, or a Ullrich, should it come down to that. Lord knows he won't do any work on that kind of stage.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think he really has a shot of winning... however, in the grand tours, when have we ever really got to see him in this kind of role? To me it seems when he is on his own, like he has been largely on the classics... I think he has ridden hard, and shown that he has the legs to do well...however, he has issues. He has made some interesting, seemingly desperate moves which have proven fatal... its why the guy has so many top 5s and so few wins. Sometimes he seems mentally frail. Who knows.

I think top 5 is definitely doable. No Mtn TT, so he should be able to limit his losses for the most part to Landis, et al.
 

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But who cares about a top five?

I agree, but I guess I think a win in the classics is better than a top five in the Tour. Sure they're apples and oranges . . . but I'll take the apple.
 

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Thats an interesting take. Im not sure I would. To win at a classic... you have to maybe beat PERHAPS 35% to 50% of the world's best riders. No? At the TDF, I'd estimate that what, 75%, are there? So, I agree a win is a win... but a high place at just about the only race that has any importance or relevance to the world... against the best riders... Im thinking top 5 in the tour vs a win at Roubaix or San Remo any day. Thats just me, I pick the orange.
 

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funknuggets said:
... but a high place at just about the only race that has any importance or relevance to the world... against the best riders... Im thinking top 5 in the tour vs a win at Roubaix or San Remo any day. Thats just me, I pick the orange.
... a few races that have some relevance to the rest of the world, just maybe not in the U.S. Personally, I would take the apples and the oranges. nothing less.
 

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A common theme that seems to run any Hincapie thread is general support for all his efforts and a respect for him as a rider. Always makes for a good thread.
The ways in which you could utilize George is what makes him a great rider. Team player, team winner. So why not give him a chance at le Tour? He's put in his time and he would certainly have a fan base that would draw for Discovery, = $$.
 

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It seems like this year and the next is the time to mount a Classics campaign with one team and a Giro or Vuelta goal with another.
 

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Most recent weight I have seen for Hincapie was 170, down considerably from his former 183 lb race weight. To be competitive in the mountains he would need to get to ~160-163 lbs and to win the Tour ~156-159, though this year's course could let him add a pound.

In other words we don't need to see him ride for himself in the Tour to know he can't climb with the best. To be in the front group you have to be around 6.5 watts/kg and to win the magic number is 6.6-6.7, and if he were anywhere near those number he would be dominating every TT he was in at his current weight.
 

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terzo rene said:
Most recent weight I have seen for Hincapie was 170, down considerably from his former 183 lb race weight. To be competitive in the mountains he would need to get to ~160-163 lbs and to win the Tour ~156-159, though this year's course could let him add a pound.
With all due respect, isn't weight a function of height? Where are you getting data that he should be 156-159 to win? Please share. He seems like a fairly tall guy.

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I think he's using something like Dr. Ferrari's "magic number" formula, and has some idea of Hincapie's watts (terzo, did you read GH's power output somewhere?), and is backing out the math from there.

Whether that's accurate, I don't know.
 

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francois said:
He seems like a fairly tall guy.
George is 6'3" If he were down in the 150's I'd doubt very seriously he'd be strong enough to keep up. Even at his somewhat 'higher' race weights (2003) I can assure you he is freakishly tall and skinny. Saw him ride past on a training camp here in Boulder and even back then he looked like a stick figure. I can't imagine where he'd lose anymore weight from and still be able to ride hard.
 
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