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On my side of the Cascades, there is one "real" ski area in a huge corridor of mountain range (unless you count Crystal which is really hours away). The local (an hour away from me) hill is just OK, has one lodge, six lifts and often high winds causing the main lift to shut down at times. Also the resort itself is shut down two days a week. :(

Back in the 70's, there was a proposal for a major ski area just up the road from me. It would've been Washington's largest w/3major bowls, around 3,000 ft vertical drop, up to 25 lifts, lodges, condos, the whole nine yards. It was expected to rival Sun Valley and others. Great snow there and would provide a needed economic base for winter tourism in my area.

Environmental lobbyists stepped in and put the halts to the plan, and somehow managed to get some "wilderness act" passed.

In one sense, I agree. I've watched cool little mountain towns over the years transformed beyond recognition, and I hate seeing wild areas diminished by "progress." I like the fact that my area has one of the most vastly protected wilderness areas in the nation. However, getting into the backcountry around here for skiing/boarding is very difficult due to terrain.

But otoh, the economy here in my area proper s*cks and the job base is next to nothing, and this even before the current economic crisis.

I was out on a service road boot packing with the doggie, and came across "the resort that would've been" (in ski area terms). After researching this mountain today is when I found out about the would-be ski mountain, and actually, I was kind of bummed. I'd love an accessible, top notch area near me (not to mention the increased home/property value :) ). The second pic is what would be part of the view from the top of the would-be ski mountain. Nifty. I've been trying to figure out how to get up here via skinning or bootpack and frankly, it'd be quite a production and one would either need to overnight it, or find someone willing to snowmobile you in.

Then again, everything would change around here, if a resort went in. And not necessarily for the better.
 

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You have to take the good with the bad too. Just think of all of the big-haired Texans that could be THERE instead of Vail or Aspen. Hell, I like the place as is, can I come live with the baby deer in the shed...
 

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When I stand on my deck and look across the water, I am so happy that I am looking into Olympic National Park.
 
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Let's see.

I live a 3 to 4 hour drive north of you.

When I moved there 14 years ago the population was roughly 65,000. Of those 2,500 direct jobs were in the company I worked in.

It was a "summer vacation" town, and blue collar.

The population is now roughly 300,000. Real estate is now the 2nd most expensive in Canada.

The nature of employment in town has changed. Very little blue collar work anymore as those businesses can no longer afford the property or the property taxes.

Employment is now mostly service based.

However, we now have amenities and services in town that we never had before.

FYI, we now have 4 major ski resorts in a 2 hour drive. Summer resorts and golf courses are as thick as fleas.

The town is different, not better, not worse, but different.
 

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You have to take the good with the bad too. Just think of all of the big-haired Texans that could be THERE instead of Vail or Aspen. Hell, I like the place as is, can I come live with the baby deer in the shed...

But aren't you a big-haired Texan? Baby deer are frightened of big-haired Texans. And BBQ.

Loose the accent and we'll talk.

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When I stand on my deck and look across the water, I am so happy that I am looking into Olympic National Park.
Lovely view Bill, really lovely. I bet your family spends some really enjoyable times on that deck.
 

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Let's see.

I live a 3 to 4 hour drive north of you.

When I moved there 14 years ago the population was roughly 65,000. Of those 2,500 direct jobs were in the company I worked in.

It was a "summer vacation" town, and blue collar.

The population is now roughly 300,000. Real estate is now the 2nd most expensive in Canada.

The nature of employment in town has changed. Very little blue collar work anymore as those businesses can no longer afford the property or the property taxes.

Employment is now mostly service based.

However, we now have amenities and services in town that we never had before.

FYI, we now have 4 major ski resorts in a 2 hour drive. Summer resorts and golf courses are as thick as fleas.

The town is different, not better, not worse, but different.

That's amazing. Well, just look at Winthrop...that used to be cheap.

So not all of it is good, increased annoying people with too much money and a loss of the "real."

FYI, this mountain is accessible either by my side or the Chelan side. Chelan is now some of the priciest real estate in the state (due to summer resort status) and imho, it's an ugly, boring little town!

Employment in Chelan is already "seasonal service industry" as it is. Oh wait. They just had a WalMart move in. :rolleyes:
 

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OldEndicottHiway said:
Lovely view Bill, really lovely. I bet your family spends some really enjoyable times on that deck.
Sure, the niece smokes out there. She only smokes for the view.
 

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Ski areas cause massive traffic problems here in Colorado.
 

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In my experience, it depends on how clear and effective your local politicians and town adminitrators are. The better they are at defining and protecting those parts that are worth preserving, while still allowing progress, the better for everyne.

Employment can rise.
Housing values can rise.
Access to services can improve.
Access to Health care can improve.

But it isn't free.....the cost comes down to how well the details are managed.

Len
 

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Think Jackson, WY pre Teton Village. Guessing your fate will be similar. If you own a house it might make you rich someday. Is there an airport nearby or are they planning to build one?
 

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I'm with BJ. If you want to make some money and then move away, I'd be all for it. If you plan on staying in the area, where you live will be very different from when you moved in.
 

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I'm with BJ. If you want to make some money and then move away, I'd be all for it. If you plan on staying in the area, where you live will be very different from when you moved in.
Could be worse. It could be gambling like they did with Central City/Blackhawk. I used to enjoy Central City pre-gambling. I haven't been up there since.
 

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Could be worse. It could be gambling like they did with Central City/Blackhawk. I used to enjoy Central City pre-gambling. I haven't been up there since.
+4 We would go up every once in a while when flatlander relativese would visit. Last time we were up there is when the Red Zinger went through. Wife and I marshalled a corner. We only went into the casino to take a pee.

OEH, you build a ski area and we'll try and make it up there. :thumbsup:
 

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OldEndicottHiway said:
...Then again, everything would change around here, if a resort went in. And not necessarily for the better.
Everything always changes. It is called life.
 

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Len J said:
In my experience, it depends on how clear and effective your local politicians and town adminitrators are. The better they are at defining and protecting those parts that are worth preserving, while still allowing progress, the better for everyne.

Employment can rise.
Housing values can rise.
Access to services can improve.
Access to Health care can improve.

But it isn't free.....the cost comes down to how well the details are managed.

Len
Exactly. Great points.

Doubt it will happen since "NorthCascadesInitiative" group put the skids to the project in the 70's. However, that was for the Chelan side and a different district.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are people working behind the scenes to get something going. After all, that was almost 40 years ago.

I don't thnk it would be as bad as JAckson Hole, as BJ suggested...there is no Yellowstone nearby, but...there is endless wild spaces around it.

I will be checking in with the locals, and contacting the people previously involved in the would-be project to learn details. As perhaps at this point, it could be something that would fly and well, provided it was well-planned, and as you said "protecting the areas that need protecting."

Washington's Cascade Range is enormous, and it's about time we had a top notch resort rather than all these pitiful hills with pitiful slop/wet snow on the other side of the range.
 

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I will be checking in with the locals, and contacting the people previously involved in the would-be project to learn details. As perhaps at this point, it could be something that would fly and well, provided it was well-planned, and as you said "protecting the areas that need protecting."
OEH, looks like this could be the new job you have been looking for.
 

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I would be scared for a resort area to move in. Aside from the new traffic problems and discourteous tourists, think of the higher property taxes. For many "locals" in undeveloped areas, this becomes a major concern. Wages will likely not increase in relation to property value. A major resort would most certainly change the landscape (natural and social) of the area. I was recently in Wolf Creek, CO (best ski area in the country) and had some great conversations with local folks about this. It seems big haired Texans are real concern. Where I am it was talk of a golf resort that garnered the attention and outrage of locals.

I think a great solution to the conundrum would be for everyone to learn how to Telemark. Keeps you in shape and you never have to worry about a lift line. And, there are fewer Texans in the backcountry, just kidding.
 
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