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disclaimer: i do plan on following this up with a physician visits. opinions given
are not legally binding. individual results will vary.

i've been cycling on and off for a couple decades. i've been steadily spinning
this time for a year. i'm averaging 10-14 hours a week.

i've heard some guys mention training until a "burning in their lungs" or in
their legs. i guess i was being careful and trying to avoid any pain above
my waist. i guess i'm trying to find the line that's not paranoid of the edge,
nor foolishly blowing past it.

i'm simply curious if someone with more experience can say easily what is
healthfully pushing your heart and lungs, without a professional appointment.
 

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It depends on the goal for the ride. If it's a climbing race and I'm not trying to not puke at the end, I didn't go hard enough. But that's not something that I do every day. I don't think that there is an "edge"- no one can push themselves hard enough to cause permanent physiological damage.

Assuming that you are normally healthy there's no reason not to go as hard as you can when appropriate- for intervals, hard climbs, city limits sprints, etc.

But it depends on your goals- do you want to go faster/farther or race, or just enjoy riding? If you're just out to enjoy yourself, and there is nothing wrong with that, then there's no reason to push it unless you feel like it.
 

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ericm979 said:
Assuming that you are normally healthy there's no reason not to go as hard as you can when appropriate- for intervals, hard climbs, city limits sprints, etc.

But it depends on your goals- do you want to go faster/farther or race, or just enjoy riding? If you're just out to enjoy yourself, and there is nothing wrong with that, then there's no reason to push it unless you feel like it.
well, ok. in all modesty, cycling comes very easy for me. cardio training (track, marathons, etc) always has. i know. it has alot to do with genetics.

still i want to be the best i can be. i know this sounds cheesy, but i just enjoy the sheer beauty going really fast. it doesn't matter if there are ten guys are in front of me, behind me or next to me. i have nothing to prove. i just love going really fast and not hearing an engine below me. i think the tires wizzing against the ground is really cool and i get caught up in it.

my point is, i'm not pushing myself really hard. i could easily push alot harder, and i suspect it surprises some people. in short, i'm really racing myself and my own potential and i want to (and can) go alot faster. i just want to find my personal limits and ride there.
 

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I've had burning lungs...After short track XC Races, Circuit races, Long MTB races, Sprint finish road races...Club rides with attacks on climbs, etc...Along with the burning lungs comes burning legs.

I will say that I've never gone so hard that I've puked...but I know several riders on my team that have.

As has been mentioned, I don't think you can push yourself so hard you do permanent damage...well, not physical damage at least.

This is of course assuming you are in at least OK physical condition and don't have any pre-existing medical conditions.

With that said...there was a guy in a Short Track XC race two weeks ago here that had a heart attack during the race. They did CPR on him for 10 minutes before the paramedics could get to him with a difibrulator...at which time they were able to revive him. Last I heard he was doing fine.....He was 30! He had also been racing for several years, so who knows what happened.

So there is never a guarantee in anything.

If you are racing, chances are you will get there at some point if you want to win. If you are just a recreational rider, is it really worth the effort?
 

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Yeah, excluding hidden congenital conditions, you set your own limit as to what's "too hard."

On a hard training day, I sometimes get tunnel vision and gray spots at the end of a hard interval. That's pretty hard. Burning lungs, legs, side stitches, all part of the program if you want to be as fast as you can be.
 

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as hard as you can handle. There are a lot of guys racing that quite frankly, don't know how to hurt.

now if you have a prior med condition of course you want to heed the advice of your doc.

the lungs should burn,
the legs should be shot
and your mouth should taste blood
 

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When you see visions of dead relatives beckoning you to come into the light, you need to back off a little.

Another indication is when the sounds that you are making, could easily be spliced into a porn flick.
 

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fleck said:
as hard as you can handle. There are a lot of guys racing that quite frankly, don't know how to hurt.

now if you have a prior med condition of course you want to heed the advice of your doc.

the lungs should burn,
the legs should be shot
and your mouth should taste blood

Agree..... and to add.. Of the racers that know how to hurt few know how to ride with the hurt (they shut down when it starts).
 

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When you see visions of dead relatives beckoning you to come into the light, you need to back off a little.

Another indication is when the sounds that you are making, could easily be spliced into a porn flick.

cool. just seeing others were "feeling the pain".

i don't mind it. i can ride through and make it all disappear, but i am new.
 

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2 words: pursuit cough. that is when you have been working hard. when the volume of air into your lungs overwhelms the bodies ability to keep your throat moist, and it gets irritaed and you cough, in hot weather(not just cold). i've had this climbing in the alps, and sea level crit races. I think "too hard" really only happens when you are training with a known injury and intentionaly aggravate it causing it to become worse. burning lungs and legs are not signs of too hard. IMHO, that female ironman triathalete who crawled accross the finish after losing control of her bodily functions years ago - she went "too hard".
 

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IMHO, that female ironman triathalete who crawled accross the finish after losing control of her bodily functions years ago - she went "too hard".
That's different- if you get your electrolyte balance screwed up (only a problem for some people in longer events) you can really get into serious trouble.

I get "pursuiter's cough" after hard races. I think it's normal.

rsosborn- if you like going fast but aren't into racing, you might like time trials.
 

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I get "pursuiter's cough" after hard races. I think it's normal.

rsosborn- if you like going fast but aren't into racing, you might like time trials.

i'm just glad we have this forum as a "parity check" to see how hard others push it. i've had that cough a few times. i thought it might be pollen.

i think some of the people on my group rides are a little touchy. when i'm alone, i hear lance armstrong quotes. i get caught up in visions from "breaking away", and ride until my lungs burn and legs shake. when i bounce these questions off of group ride members, their answer is this look of dread and "better see a specialist".
 

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only the fittest of athletes can ride through the pain and suffering and prevail. your body is a machine, if the machine runs out of oil, the engine will seize up no matter what your will tells you to try to do. if you hit Vo2max, it is simply a matter of time before you cannot continue. being able to extend this time period, is a function of training, conditioning, and experience(including the ability to work through it). my coach and the guys at the testing lab look at my test results and my race HRM readouts and always say I have a "great ability to suffer". I think that means that I can ride long periods above LT and at v02max. I guess I don;t know what the alternative is: "ooh my legs burn and my lungs hurt I guess I will stop pedaling". that makes no sense to me. that said, as I race more club crit races with the 1's and 2's, I am working on prolonging my ability to hang when I am dying. last week 4 laps to go in a 30 lap crit. I'd been on the front too much and the winning break goes with 4 men, including me. I hang until 1.5 to go, and I just started losing the last wheel. I was drafting 3 guys and I could not keep the gap from growing. I was telling myself "this is the race, just hold it to the hill, they'll ease up to jockey for the sprint" anything I could think of to hold that last wheel. I just couldn't keep it up. I limped through to 4th, 200m behind the leaders. the peleton was another 100m behind me. I left everything on the course that day. I think constantly about what it means to " be in the pain cave" etc. what psycho-tool could i use to get that extra 10% that I needed? I think I would need a cheering crowd, my family, and the state crit title on the line. my HRM said I road the last 8mins at 10bpm over v02max, and averaged for an hour 5bpm under v02. I was definately working as hard as I could. was it too hard? no. was it enough? obviously not. but I take consolation in the fact that I am a cat 4.
 

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I am still lucky enough (2nd year) to be able to pretty much trash my legs with
lactic acid to the point that I literally must take the next day off the bike. Also,
I have trouble pushing it as far into the red zone when it is really hot (duh).
Tunnel vision, whitish vision, coughing afterwards, ditto, perhaps when I begin
tasting blood in my mouth I will have passed my initiation rites. It's scary when
you're riding really hard and you begin to have vaguely disassociative or not
quite fully conscious feelings, scared the hell out of me at first, but now I kinda
dig it....
 
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