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Got my 6th gen Nano a couple days ago... in graphite, 8GB. It is shweet. :thumbsup:

It has one big Achilles heel, tho': teh touchscreen is a total battery pig. It is to battery juice what Kirstie Alley is to an all-u-can-eat buffet. i.e. nom nom nom. :eek:

So, don't play with the touchscreen obsessive-complusively... then the batt-life is good.

It also has a quality FM tuner, which makes crappy commercial FM radio stations sound surprisingly good. Too bad all the songs they play suck.

Fortunately, there are a few good university radio stations in my area, so I am teh saved re: that. Thank you Stanford, thank you Foothill JC.

It also does photos, audiobooks and audio podcasts, but does not do video. Not that you'd want to on a 1.5" screen.

Got mine @Amazon for 'bout $20 less than I could've at the Apple Store. Is still overpriced. Comes in silver, graphite, and several pastel colors of alternative sexual orientation. nttawwt.

The integrated clip is really good, you can definitely use it at the gym. Me likey a lot so far. :yesnod:

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So they took the shuffle everyone liked...put a screen on it and jacked the price up.

Maybe they should have just done that to the shuffle rather than putting out the crap they now call the shuffle.
 

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Thanks for the update....

I have a Shuffle( previous generation) and a 3rd Gen Nano for working out.... I'm really considering the new Nano as a replacement...

Interesting comment about the battery.....Apple claims 24hr life....obviously, that is only if you don't play with the touch screen.....
 

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So they took the shuffle everyone liked...put a screen on it and jacked the price up.

Maybe they should have just done that to the shuffle rather than putting out the crap they now call the shuffle.
Teh Shuffle was also revised as part of the newest line of iPods. Apple has essentially returned to producing the previous gen that everyone liked.
 

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Teh Shuffle was also revised as part of the newest line of iPods. Apple has essentially returned to producing the previous gen that everyone liked.
I've got one of the new shuffles. Just what you said. It's back to being just right.
 

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Glad you like it!

Personally I think this was the silliest move Apple made. Let's put a screen on a shuffle and take away the video and camera and then jack the price for 6 more GBs of space. They slaughtered the features and put a clip on it. I can't really understand why anyone would buy this over the shuffle.
Now the iPod Touch on the other hand...hmmm.
 

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Got my 6th gen Nano a couple days ago... in graphite, 8GB. It is shweet. :thumbsup:

It has one big Achilles heel, tho': teh touchscreen is a total battery pig. It is to battery juice what Kirstie Alley is to an all-u-can-eat buffet. i.e. nom nom nom. :eek:

So, don't play with the touchscreen obsessive-complusively... then the batt-life is good.

It also has a quality FM tuner, which makes crappy commercial FM radio stations sound surprisingly good. Too bad all the songs they play suck.

Fortunately, there are a few good university radio stations in my area, so I am teh saved re: that. Thank you Stanford, thank you Foothill JC.

It also does photos, audiobooks and audio podcasts, but does not do video. Not that you'd want to on a 1.5" screen.

Got mine @Amazon for 'bout $20 less than I could've at the Apple Store. Is still overpriced. Comes in silver, graphite, and several pastel colors of alternative sexual orientation. nttawwt.

The integrated clip is really good, you can definitely use it at the gym. Me likey a lot so far. :yesnod:

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So what'd you pay for that? $143!! For $70 you can get this and it isn't a battery pig...I probably get 15-20 hours of battery from one charge. Most other MP3 players have had [useless] FM radios for years.

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Video-Player-Black/dp/B001GCQ3KM
 

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I see the current gen. nanos are much like the iPad, or tablets in general, not everyone needs one - or can justify the cost for the performance - but there still is a market for both.

Personally though I wouldn't get one though - happy with my 3rd gen nano, the wife's classic and my completely unused 1GB shuffle, but glad you like it.
 

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I can't really understand why anyone would buy this over the shuffle.
1. Waaaaay more storage space, meaning you're not on the computer every other day trading out new songs. I originally bought the 8 gb, which is a lot of space, but I traded up to the 16 GB because it was only $30 more for double the space.

2. Not stuck with the shuffle functions. The nano has the same play functions as a full-size iPod. Select entire catalog. Select Artist. Select Album. Select playlist. Shuffle any of the above selection categories. Select by song. Select song and make instant genius playlist of similar-style songs (the genius playlists work fairly well, but not great. I still use this feature a lot. I suspect it will get better as time goes on).
The controls, especially shuffling an artist or album, are much improved. No more visiting settings to turn shuffle on and off.

3. FM radio

4. Cool workout functions like the Nike + thing, which I use and enjoy when I run. I have a route tracker on my Android phone, but it's nice to just push a button and get duration, distance and pace. Like a lot of Apple-associated things, it just works. I haven't dug into the structured workout stuff Nike + can do, but I'm guessing it's decent. (I understand why some might not care about something like this, but I dig it. I like to just run out the door and go).

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1. Waaaaay more storage space, meaning you're not on the computer every other day trading out new songs. I originally bought the 8 gb, which is a lot of space, but I traded up to the 16 GB because it was only $30 more for double the space.

On a device which lacks the features that most people need storage for ie. Video and video recording capabilities. Most would argue that if storage is your main goal you'd go with a Touch.

2. Not stuck with the shuffle functions. The nano has the same play functions as a full-size iPod. Select entire catalog. Select Artist. Select Album. Select playlist. Shuffle any of the above selection categories. Select by song. Select song and make instant genius playlist of similar-style songs (the genius playlists work fairly well, but not great. I still use this feature a lot. I suspect it will get better as time goes on).
The controls, especially shuffling an artist or album, are much improved. No more visiting settings to turn shuffle on and off.

Probably the only thing that makes it better than the shuffle in my mind.

3. FM radio

Welcome back to 1990? FM Radio? With the advent of podcasts I have never needed to listen to the radio. Where are you riding/walking/working out that you have a decent signal that won't drop?

4. Cool workout functions like the Nike + thing, which I use and enjoy when I run. I have a route tracker on my Android phone, but it's nice to just push a button and get duration, distance and pace. Like a lot of Apple-associated things, it just works. I haven't dug into the structured workout stuff Nike + can do, but I'm guessing it's decent. (I understand why some might not care about something like this, but I dig it. I like to just run out the door and go).

Again, not a bad feature, but hardly worth the price jump.

Signed, happy customer and Kool-Aid enthusiast.
I've been loving Apple since my first Classic, but this one just didn't make sense to me.
Do you like that all my rebuttals are personal opinion? That's really the best way to make a point because I can just back everything up with "I don't think so" :)

Enjoy the device :)
 

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1. Waaaaay more storage space, meaning you're not on the computer every other day trading out new songs. I originally bought the 8 gb, which is a lot of space, but I traded up to the 16 GB because it was only $30 more for double the space.
With even 4G I can put on more songs than I can listen to in a week--when I get tired of them I just refresh.

2. Not stuck with the shuffle functions. The nano has the same play functions as a full-size iPod. Select entire catalog. Select Artist. Select Album. Select playlist. Shuffle any of the above selection categories. Select by song. Select song and make instant genius playlist of similar-style songs (the genius playlists work fairly well, but not great. I still use this feature a lot. I suspect it will get better as time goes on).
The controls, especially shuffling an artist or album, are much improved. No more visiting settings to turn shuffle on and off.
This sounds like pretty generic MP3 capabilities to me.

3. FM radio
I can't remember when I've ever felt the need to listen to the FM radio. Useless feature for the most part.

4. Cool workout functions like the Nike + thing, which I use and enjoy when I run. I have a route tracker on my Android phone, but it's nice to just push a button and get duration, distance and pace. Like a lot of Apple-associated things, it just works. I haven't dug into the structured workout stuff Nike + can do, but I'm guessing it's decent. (I understand why some might not care about something like this, but I dig it. I like to just run out the door and go).
OK...this is a unique feature. Is it worth the 100% premium in price? Dunno.
 

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tober1 said:
I've been loving Apple since my first Classic, but this one just didn't make sense to me.
Do you like that all my rebuttals are personal opinion? That's really the best way to make a point because I can just back everything up with "I don't think so" :)

Enjoy the device :)
Regarding your rebuttals:

1. Nano vs. Touch: The touch is a bad choice for running. I hate strapping a brick to my arm. Other than that, your point is valid. I think the Touch is a much more feature-rich product, just not for what the Nano is good for.

2. Agree. To BJ2 - these are fairly standard MP3 nav features, but the shuffle lacks them and the question was why buy one over the other.

3. Not saying FM radio is revolutionary, but the shuffle doesn't have it and the Nano does, so it relates to the question of why you'd buy the nano instead of the shuffle.

4. It's worth it to me. YMMV
 

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So what'd you pay for that? $143!! For $70 you can get this and it isn't a battery pig...I probably get 15-20 hours of battery from one charge. Most other MP3 players have had [useless] FM radios for years.

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Video-Player-Black/dp/B001GCQ3KM
Meh... apples and oranges (pardon the pun).

Sansa's probably my second favorite mp3 player maker, but that player you mention is trying to ape a 4th gen/5th gen Nano... no integrated clip, and quite a lot bigger than a 6-gen Nano. In other words, a PiMP ('portable media player'), not a gym-pod, which is what I was going for.

If I wanted a 5th gen Nano, I would've gotten one. And you can pick 'em up for bit cheaper now that they've been EOL'd.
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[more storage] on a device which lacks the features that most people need storage for ie. Video and video recording capabilities. Most would argue that if storage is your main goal you'd go with a Touch.
Not necessarily. 256kbps is becoming the de facto standard on the iTunes Store instead of the old 128, so that's doubling your needed storage capacity right there.

At some point, they probably go Lossless (or at least give the option), which'll triple that double. So 8-16GB for non-vid storage isn't overkill, if you look down the road a bit. Or if you're a 'music hog'/ADHD who just has to have thousands of songs on it.

Welcome back to 1990? FM Radio? With the advent of podcasts I have never needed to listen to the radio. Where are you riding/walking/working out that you have a decent signal that won't drop?
Can't speak for jp, but my gym's main workout room is surrounded by floor-to-ceiling glass on two and a half sides... I do get signal in there.

And yes, most FM radio stations suck, but as I mentioned, there are some good university radio stations out there. The quality is uneven (some of the DJs suck), but the good DJs/shows are really good. So it's a function I'm happy to have.

I would agree with your point elsewhere on the pricing, though... there's little doubt that it is overpriced.

Ppl are calling it the 'Super Shuffle', and that's what it is. As such, they shouldn't have charged 5th gen Nano prices for it, because it ain't really a Nano.
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Not necessarily. 256kbps is becoming the de facto standard on the iTunes Store instead of the old 128, so that's doubling your needed storage capacity right there.
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I generally do 192kbps...I have most of my CDs ripped to lossless WMA, but I really can't hear much of a difference. I know people like their Apple products, but for me I'd take that extra $70 and invest in a good pair of headphones instead of the hardware which really doesn't make much difference sound-wise.
 

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I generally do 192kbps...I have most of my CDs ripped to lossless WMA, but I really can't hear much of a difference. I know people like their Apple products, but for me I'd take that extra $70 and invest in a good pair of headphones instead of the hardware which really doesn't make much difference sound-wise.
You don't buy a 6-gen Nano over the mentioned Sansa for the sound-quality (though it is good there)... you buy it because it's better for the gym and/or you dig the touchscreen.

The interesting thing is that Apple is now no longer making any players that are like the mentioned Sansa or the 5th gen Nano... no more PiMPs, just Shuffle, 'Super Shuffle', and Touch. They're probably betting that all/most former Nano users will migrate to either the Super Shuffle or the Touch, probably to the Touch.

I think Apple's partially wrong there. I think some ppl really dug the form factor of the 5th gen Nano and don't want to give up features (video) and screen-size to go to the Super Shuff, nor do they want to move up to the comparatively big/expensive Touch.

If so, Sansa, Microsoft and the other mp3 player makers will definitely benefit some, as they'll continue to make players in that category while Apple does not.
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You don't buy a 6-gen Nano over the mentioned Sansa for the sound-quality (though it is good there)... you buy it because it's better for the gym and/or you dig the touchscreen.

The interesting thing is that Apple is now no longer making any players that are like the mentioned Sansa or the 5th gen Nano... no more PiMPs, just Shuffle, 'Super Shuffle', and Touch. They're probably betting that all/most former Nano users will migrate to either the Super Shuffle or the Touch, probably to the Touch.

I think Apple's partially wrong there. I think some ppl really dug the form factor of the 5th gen Nano and don't want to give up features/screen-size to go to the Super Shuff, nor do they want to move up to the comparatively big/expensive Touch.

If so, Sansa, Microsoft and the other mp3 player makers will definitely benefit some, as they'll continue to make players in that category while Apple does not.
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I would agree with you that the touch is too big for the gym...it's cell-phone sized. I wonder if they'll come out with a 5g nano sized touch soon?
 

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I would agree with you that the touch is too big for the gym...it's cell-phone sized. I wonder if they'll come out with a 5g nano sized touch soon?
I doubt it. I think the idea of the Touch is that it does internet and apps (well), and a screen smaller than the 3.5" compromises that.

Jobs or somebody apparently has decided that re: iPods, ppl either want an uber-featured iPhone-wannabe or a gym-pod, and that there's no in-between. Guess we'll see if they're right or not.

I personally think it hurts nothing to make an 'in-betweener', i.e. 5th-gen Nano style of player. But of course, someone will always bray that such a player is 'jack of all trades, master of none', and Jobs is really into trying to have everything be perfect for its given function.

He really should lighten up a little bit, IMO.
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