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After months of riding on craigslist trash, I realize I'm never going to be able to spend two grand on a road bike. I'll never have carbon and Ultegra, let alone an 18 pound bike.

I'm done with Performance, and other bike shops altogether. I don't have the money for what I'm looking for.

Now I'm stuck with Bikesdirect. I've been thinking about the specs on the bikes they sell. I was thinking either an aluminum frame, carbon fork and full 105, or should I get the all ultegra model?

Also, I was pondering carbon with a 105/tiagra mix, but will the comfort of carbon outweight the efficiency of higher level components?

What is your take on this? Should I spend $1100 on a carbon bike with 105/tiagra, or spend $700 for aluminum and full 105, or $900 for aluminum and full ultegra?
 

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ProphetBanana said:
After months of riding on craigslist trash, I realize I'm never going to be able to spend two grand on a road bike. I'll never have carbon and Ultegra, let alone an 18 pound bike.

I'm done with Performance, and other bike shops altogether. I don't have the money for what I'm looking for.

Now I'm stuck with Bikesdirect. I've been thinking about the specs on the bikes they sell. I was thinking either an aluminum frame, carbon fork and full 105, or should I get the all ultegra model?

Also, I was pondering carbon with a 105/tiagra mix, but will the comfort of carbon outweight the efficiency of higher level components?

What is your take on this? Should I spend $1100 on a carbon bike with 105/tiagra, or spend $700 for aluminum and full 105, or $900 for aluminum and full ultegra?
You're only "stuck with BD" because you've made it so by prioritizing 'gear' over fit/ services. There are plenty of nice alu/ CF bikes with solid Shimano groups in that price range.

You could work with a reputable LBS to narrow down choices of brands/ models based on your riding experience, fitness, flexibility, type(s) of riding you're interested in - then work with their fitter to determine sizing requirements, get fitted and do some test rides. Once you've made your choice they'll do an initial fit, tune/ adjust the bike and assist with any warranty claims, if needed. BD offers... little, if any, of that.

So, you do have choices.
 

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+1. If you are in the $1100 range, there are plenty of options at the LBS that should get you away from the "craigslist trash".

Ultegra is obviously fine, but there's nothing wrong with 105, Tiagra or even Sora for that matter. Find the bikes that fit/feel the best. Then, buy the one that looks the best :)
 

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For $1100, you can get on the Cannondale CAAD8 with Tiagras. You get a great bike with a good fit, 1 year (or more) with LBS service, discounts on gear, lifetime frame warranty. Cannondale, and not windsor or motobecane or some crap like that.

Another option is the $1050 Specialized Allez Sport also with Tiagras. Tiagras are perfectly ride-able and smooth.
 

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+1. If you are in the $1100 range, there are plenty of options at the LBS that should get you away from the "craigslist trash".

Ultegra is obviously fine, but there's nothing wrong with 105, Tiagra or even Sora for that matter. Find the bikes that fit/feel the best. Then, buy the one that looks the best :)
No, I don't want a specialized or trek with sora components and alex wheels, no thank you.

I can get better components with a frame from the same shop in taiwan with a different brand name for the same price.
 

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No, I don't want a specialized or trek with sora components and alex wheels, no thank you.

I can get better components with a frame from the same shop in taiwan with a different brand name for the same price.
lol okay thank you. we're here to help you. You seem to already know what you want and know everything. just choose your own bike then.
 

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For $1100, you can get on the Cannondale CAAD8 with Tiagras. You get a great bike with a good fit, 1 year (or more) with LBS service, discounts on gear, lifetime frame warranty. Cannondale, and not windsor or motobecane or some crap like that.

Another option is the $1050 Specialized Allez Sport also with Tiagras. Tiagras are perfectly ride-able and smooth.
Everyone glamorizes the CAAD9 bikes. If I get a caad8, it'll just be an inferior bike, similar to any BD bike.

The question is, is a 20 pound aluminum bike with 105 enough to warrant the weight and harsh ride, or should I settle for sub-par components at the behest of almighty carbon?

For all the roadies and newbies who bike a sora equipped "bike", eventually they denounce the crap frame and components and move up to carbon. Obviously if I stick to aluminum, I'd be making a mistake.
 

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For 1100$ I could kill it with a CL bike! Find some schmuck that paid twice that and rode it once. For the really good deals you have to lurk, but they are definitely there, especially if you wait for the off-season. I bought a 2002 Airborne Zeppelin with full ultegra that was mint this year for 700 bucks. Tough to beat a good used rig.
 

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Everyone glamorizes the CAAD9 bikes. If I get a caad8, it'll just be an inferior bike, similar to any BD bike.

The question is, is a 20 pound aluminum bike with 105 enough to warrant the weight and harsh ride, or should I settle for sub-par components at the behest of almighty carbon?

For all the roadies and newbies who bike a sora equipped "bike", eventually they denounce the crap frame and components and move up to carbon. Obviously if I stick to aluminum, I'd be making a mistake.
the caad8 still has lifetime warranty and a lbs to take care of it for you. BD will ask for shipping back to them just for them to examine it, think $100 each way for shipping.

components dont matter **** if the bike doesn't fit perfectly. If it doesn't fit you, a carbon bike with dura ace and 1400g wheels wont make you any faster/last longer than a guy on a huffy that fits him.
 

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For 1100$ I could kill it with a CL bike! Find some schmuck that paid twice that and rode it once. For the really good deals you have to lurk, but they are definitely there, especially if you wait for the off-season. I bought a 2002 Airborne Zeppelin with full ultegra that was mint this year for 700 bucks. Tough to beat a good used rig.
+1 on this. CL is where you can find some serious good deals.
 

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ugh, Craigslist. I really don't want someone's problem. The situation of finding a hardly ridden bike at a good price are a myth here in California.

It seems like one guy has a whole list of bikes with the same backdrop is all over Craigslist. I don't even feel comfortable giving my money to another person and would rather put it to BD no matter their ethical decisions.

Here are some bikes I'm considering.

http://bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/knight_x.htm

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/centurycomp_08_carbon.htm

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/fens_IX.htm

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/fens_IX.htm

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/falkirk_carb9.htm

I should just fork over the $1500 and be done with this cycling bullshit. Once I get Carbon and ultegra, there, that's it, I'm done. No more desiring carbon, no more desire for better wheels, no more need for ultegra. I don't want to hit the sweet spot with no diminishing returns, meaning I don't want to spend more than $1500. I don't know why I put the limit there, since most people would likely spend 2 grand for a carbon Specialized or Fuji with Tiagra/105.

You know, if I do get the tiagra/105 carbon Motobecane, I'll probably curse the shifting and want ultegra. The point is I'll never be satisfied because I suck, I'm slow, and I'll blame anything else other than the engine pushing the bike. And yet, aerodynamics and weight have their importance given the right scenario. I don't know what to think anymore, let alone what to want.

You can all have your nice Treks and Specialized. I have nothing but clunky road bikes from Craigslist. I should just buy a touring bike and be done with it.
 

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carbon has different qualities, theres **** carbon, then theres good carbon, then theres unknown BD carbon.

Ultegras and carbon isn't going to do you any good if the bike doesn't fit you. But go ahead, its your money. I'd rather have a tiagra bike that fit me than a dura ace that caused me pain after 1-2 hours of riding.

Oh yea, and BD doesn't have a customer service phone number.

Double Oh yea, you're going to need to pay for installation/tune up before you get riding on your BD bike.

That Allez and CAAD8 is looking awfully good.
 

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I would enjoy the experience of looking for a bike; there is a lot to learn and the more you shop around the more you can define your needs.

The new 105 is great and should suit your purposes fine, but the imprtant thing is fit and you should work with a bike shop to attain that. There are many great deals in your desied price range; if you do several test rides you can compare 105 vs Ultegra vs Sora or even other group sets.

Felt makes a great bike that is a Superlight Alumninum frame with carbon forks and seat stays; not sure of the exact price, but it is probably $1,300 or so and if you find the right shop a 10% discount is close to your budget.

Perfromance is not the best in fitting (my fitting took hours) but they do sell GT's which is a pretty good bike for the money; with there sales, discounts, coupons, etc you can actually find a carbon 105 bike for $1,100. Pricewise Performance is hard to beat.

Good luck shopping.
 

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People who make "Carbon!" and "Ultegra!" the holy grail amuse me...
 

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ProphetBanana said:
After months of riding on craigslist trash, I realize I'm never going to be able to spend two grand on a road bike. I'll never have carbon and Ultegra, let alone an 18 pound bike....
Now I'm stuck with Bikesdirect. I've been thinking about the specs on the bikes they sell. I was thinking either an aluminum frame, carbon fork and full 105, or should I get the all ultegra model?
Also, I was pondering carbon with a 105/tiagra mix, but will the comfort of carbon outweight the efficiency of higher level components?
What is your take on this? Should I spend $1100 on a carbon bike with 105/tiagra, or spend $700 for aluminum and full 105, or $900 for aluminum and full ultegra?
Go for some test rides, thats the only way to see if you want/need a carbon frame (make sure the tire pressures are the same between bikes). Try out the tiagra/105/ultegra bikes and see how they shift (make sure they're adjusted properly though). If you can already afford $1100, how long will it take to get another $400?
 

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For all the roadies and newbies who bike a sora equipped "bike", eventually they denounce the crap frame and components and move up to carbon. Obviously if I stick to aluminum, I'd be making a mistake.
Not sure if I've graduated to full-fledged roadie since I just took this up two years ago. I'm riding Tiagra on an aluminum frame and happy with it, however lusting after high-end steel.

But I'm riding. :wink5:

It's just a bike.
 

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Haha, this is the most bitter post I've ever read!
You've got your opinion so make your decision.
And a CAAD9 is better than low-end carbon. Pretty sure most would agree.
While I wouldn't get Sora either, you should save a bit and get 105 equipped Trek/C'dale/Spec.
And stop griping or you'll never enjoy your ride! :)
 

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tober1 said:
Haha, this is the most bitter post I've ever read!
Nah, I've read worse (but I see your point). :eek:
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You've got your opinion so make your decision.
That was my thought as well.
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And a CAAD9 is better than low-end carbon. Pretty sure most would agree.
Define 'better' and I'll let you know. :)
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While I wouldn't get Sora either, you should save a bit and get 105 equipped Trek/C'dale/Spec.
Your opinion and you're entitled, but I disagree. Sora (and Tiagra) perform well, especially for noobs. And there's always the option to upgrade from Sora shifters at a relatively low cost. Saving $$ is boring. Riding is fun!
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And stop griping or you'll never enjoy your ride! :)
Amen to that, bro! :thumbsup:
 
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