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**I took out the link to my ebay win because the saved page still had me signed in and I wasn't sure if someone could view my account or purchase something with my account. Anyhow, if you want to look at it, just search "Ciocc" under "Completed Listings" and it is the yellow and black Alum bike. It was up for auction a couple times before- once for $650 and the other for $500. I was almost gonna pay the $500 but I'm glad I waited. Saved me a 100 clams. Here is a link to just the pictures of the bike. Hope it works.**
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=110636741100

Won this Ciocc on the 'bay. The frame will need some minor refurbishing. Note the rust on the frt derailleur braze-on. Anyone know how to clean that up? Wire brush and sand paper? Then rust-o-leum and repaint the tab? Should I strip the parts off and repaint it? What do 'yall reckon? Anyone ever ride one of these?


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Ride-Fly said:
Note the rust on the frt derailleur braze-on. Anyone know how to clean that up?
So is that really an aluminum frame, or is it steel? (looks maybe like steel... seeing how aluminum doesn't rust...) - anyway - for the braze on, just sand it down to bare metal, prime it, and paint it (given the color scheme, you could paint it black and it would blend in just fine) - if the rest of the frame is in good condition, just clean it up, throw on a coat of wax, and call it good.
 

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DrD, and Nielly bring up a solid point. Maybe the braze-on is steel? I know AL can oxidize but it doesn't turn rust color, hence why it is not known to "rust". As for the frame, it looks like your typical AL frame- fat, ovalized tubes. Also, the "6061" that the owner mentioned in the listing further leads me to believe it is AL, since that is a very common type of AL. I guess there is that chance it was just coincidence that the serial number is the same as a common type of AL...but Ockham's Razor. Is it common, or even acceptable to put a steel braze-on on an AL frame? Thanks guys- now I am confused!! :)

Also, thanks "A from II", for linking the Ciocc.
 

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alu ciocc? meh... more interested in hearing about that joke we all know as dean. but that bike looks like it's steel... I'd be real wary about buying from someone that didn't know what they were selling
 

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Not bad looks like a mid 90's aluminum frame. The front derailleur tab could be steel thats riveted to the frame hence the rust. I would hand sand that tab with 200 grit being sure to mask the seat tube first so as not to damage the good paint. If there is a rivet there, careful when you're sanding cause you don't want to sand the head off. You could then use a rust killer on it & then prime with a self etching primer followed by matching automotive spray paint.
 

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alu ciocc? meh... more interested in hearing about that joke we all know as dean. but that bike looks like it's steel... I'd be real wary about buying from someone that didn't know what they were selling
What's up my Trojan brutha? Some recruiting class we are hauling in, huh? Not a fan of Lane Kiffin but that dude can recruit!

Sorry for the thread drift, but since I started it...I'll forgive myself. :cool:

You think it looks like steel? I think it looks like a typical AL frame. I wouldn't be upset if it turned out to be steel- not one bit. I don't have a non-lugged steel in my stable, so if it is steel, I might have to keep it! I was planning on taking the Daytona parts off the Ciocc and putting them on my Tommasini. Was thinking of selling the remains. But....if steel....I'll be doing sum 'splainin to the mrs.!!!

As for the Dean, it is 3rd on my list of bikes to build. As bad as Dean is at customer service, the frame did turn out extremely nice. Hope to get to it by Spring. 1st priority is finish building my Mondonico. 2nd is converting the Fondy Top Carbon over to a Record 11 group I recently bought. 3rd is building the Dean using the Chorus 10 that is currently on the Top Carbon. 4th is swapping the Daytona from the Ciocc to the Tomma. But as I said, if it is steel, I may be searching for another groupset for the Tomma. :cryin: Then I be done collecting bikes. :D
 

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DrD, and Nielly bring up a solid point. Maybe the braze-on is steel? I know AL can oxidize but it doesn't turn rust color, hence why it is not known to "rust". As for the frame, it looks like your typical AL frame- fat, ovalized tubes.
Unless you glue it or use a mechanical fastener/interference fit, joining aluminum to steel is difficult...

It looks like a Ciocc COM 12.5 frameset to me (tubes look right, and color scheme looks right) -
Someone on here (before they were banned...) bought one and posted pics which look pretty similar to the bike in question:
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=66440

Also lots of info elsewhere...
http://www.thebikestand.com/ciocc_bikes.html
http://www.repartocorse.com/ciocc-com-125-frameset.htm
http://zarbikes.com/product/ciocc_com125.php

So I'm thinkin' it's a Dedacciai COM 12.5 steel frame...
 

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DrD said:
Unless you glue it or use a mechanical fastener/interference fit, joining aluminum to steel is difficult...

It looks like a Ciocc COM 12.5 frameset to me (tubes look right, and color scheme looks right) -
Someone on here (before they were banned...) bought one and posted pics which look pretty similar to the bike in question:
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/showthread.php?t=66440

Also lots of info elsewhere...
http://www.thebikestand.com/ciocc_bikes.html
http://www.repartocorse.com/ciocc-com-125-frameset.htm
http://zarbikes.com/product/ciocc_com125.php

So I'm thinkin' it's a Dedacciai COM 12.5 steel frame...
DrD! Thanks a bunch! It sure does look like a COM 12.5!! Man, on one hand, I'm stoked. But on the other, I may have to keep this one intact, at least for a little while! I think this bike would have gone for a little more had the seller properly described it. As Fred stated, alum Ciocc=meh. Steel Ciocc, even TIG welded= not too shabby!!! I'll see how it fits me, as the seller did a crappy job of describing that too. Can anyone here give a review of Dedacciai COM 12.5's ride characteristics? Thanks everyone, but especially you DrD!!! You da man.
 

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Looks nice, but there's something wrong with a Ciocc being aluminum. Kinda sad actually.

Model 6061 :D The guy selling it knows nothing about the bike.
 

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Looks nice, but there's something wrong with a Ciocc being aluminum. Kinda sad actually.

Model 6061 :D The guy selling it knows nothing about the bike.
Yep, Model 6061 was pretty amusing!! I am actually pleasantly surprised that it is a steel Dedacciai COM 12.5 frame. Another shout out to DrD for pointing that out! I re-read the listing and the guy actually said the 6061 was on a "sticker on the bar under the seat"???? Was he talking about the seat rails? Wow, if he was, he is truly clueless about bikes. Sounds like he inherited it and it was sitting in the closet for a few years before he decided to sell it. Judging the frame size by the pictures, I think it might be too big for me. Hope it is a 54.5 to 56 ETT! I can make everything work as long as the ETT is in that range and HT length is not less than 13 cm.
 

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cmg said:
post a photo when you get it.

I will post close-up pics but it won't be till the end of Feb when I return home from my stint in the sandbox. Cheers!
 
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