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So i was using my genuine innovations second wing MTB pump on my road ride today and while i was trying to inflate a flat the thing blew up in my hand. A LOUD bang like a bullet and the co2 catriage and parts of the pump went flying everywhere. For the most part im ok, hand hurt for awhile but i still have my fingers, leg has some cuts and probably is going to bruise, but what is worrying me the most is that right now im suffering from about 25% hearing loss in my right ear and have a persistant high pitch ringing. Im going to see the doc tommorow to see if its permanet. Now my question is whether the company is at fault and if it is permanet hearing damange what should I do litigation wise? I know there are plent of intelligent people out there and maybe a few law and or Medical profesionals. Im attaching a pic of the pump .
 

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Camera isnt set right

Very observent, camera isnt set properaly and I havent had the get and go to change it. Good eyes though.
 

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I would start by taking some pictures of any injuries the you have. If your hearing doesn't come back (God forbid) then the pictures might help to prove the force of the blast (maybe that's a stretch but it can't hurt to have them). I understand you can't take a picture of your hearing loss but cuts and bruises would at least be a start. I would also check the instructions that came with the pump to make sure you were using it properly. Right size and type of CO2 and whatnot.

To set your mind at ease a little, I have had my head too close to several explosions (most involving firecrackers) in the past and my hearing always came back after a day or so. Hope you wake up tomorrow and everything is ok.
 

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what is that ... sitting beside the pump?

It sounds like the CO2 cartridge itself blew. That wouldn't actually have to do with the rest of the unit; there's no way the plastic pump could tolerate the pressure of a blowing up c02 cylinder.

Was it the stock one that came with the pump, or another company's?
 

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Dont be an jerk

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Come on, you were using something that is inherently dangerous, pressurized gasses. You should take responsibility for your own actions. We do not need the rampant petty litigousness of this country to invade the bicycle industry. The only reason bicycles still exist is because of the relatively low litigation rate among cyclists. If we were as quick to sue everyone in sight as your average american, there would be no more bike shops of any kind, no more small frame builders, etc. All that would be left would be walmart because they are the only ones who can afford million dollar attorneys.

We've all been hurt by something we broke. There's no need to blame anyone but ourselves.

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Come on, you were using something that is inherently dangerous, pressurized gasses. You should take responsibility for your own actions. We do not need the rampant petty litigousness of this country to invade the bicycle industry. The only reason bicycles still exist is because of the relatively low litigation rate among cyclists. If we were as quick to sue everyone in sight as your average american, there would be no more bike shops of any kind, no more small frame builders, etc. All that would be left would be walmart because they are the only ones who can afford million dollar attorneys.

We've all been hurt by something we broke. There's no need to blame anyone but ourselves.

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I agree. I can see it now, a couple of years down the line. 5 dollar cartridges and 50.00 pumps because of insurance after the lawsuit. Should I sue because my ears ring after my tube blows?
 

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Operator error!!!

You didn't have the pump attached to the valve properly. You were increasing the pressure in the pump but nothing was going into the tube. Eventually it blew. Learn how to use the pump and you'll be less likely to hurt yourself. :rolleyes:
 

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Dont want to, but might

I understand your feelings about petty litigation, pisses me off to when people spill coffe on themselves get millions of dollars...BUT, If i had had that pump rotated thirty degrees more it would have been in my face. Listen dude this didnt happen to you, i appreciate the responses but if your just going to call me the scourge of the earth because Im CONSIDERING (doesnt mean I am) some type of litigation. Hearing is getting better though. Took a nap, still have a ringing but now it seems that ive only lost 10 percent or so. Oh and the cartrage itself did not blow up, it was still intact and ended up landing about forty feet away from where i was standing. It wasnt the companys cartrage but some other 16g i picked up at a hardware store. I think there for bb guns or something, worked fine for the last year. Im definatly going to try and hit them up for a new pump though. Stuff has worked good, **** happens sometimes though.
 

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Hmmm

Ok, what i Know. Pump was securly attached to valve. Head of presta valve was fully open. There WAS about a two second to three second delay before it blew up. Sometimes beads inside the valve dont pop right away, have noticed that before, but after three seconds kaboom. Your right possible operator error, but I stand by the fact that it shouldnt have exploded in such a manner from normal use. How many times could this have happened to other people?
 

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Temporary threshold shift.....

miketrackman said:
So i was using my genuine innovations second wing MTB pump on my road ride today and while i was trying to inflate a flat the thing blew up in my hand. A LOUD bang like a bullet and the co2 catriage and parts of the pump went flying everywhere. For the most part im ok, hand hurt for awhile but i still have my fingers, leg has some cuts and probably is going to bruise, but what is worrying me the most is that right now im suffering from about 25% hearing loss in my right ear and have a persistant high pitch ringing. Im going to see the doc tommorow to see if its permanet. Now my question is whether the company is at fault and if it is permanet hearing damange what should I do litigation wise? I know there are plent of intelligent people out there and maybe a few law and or Medical profesionals. Im attaching a pic of the pump .

your hearing loss and ringing are most likely temporary, and related to the acoustic trauma. I have seen similar complaints following concerts, airbag deployment, and hunting season. Rarely is it permanent. That said, if it persists for a week or more you should get a hearing test and see an ear specialist.
 

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Good luck getting a decent lawyer to take the case with what sound like really mild injuries. Too many variables: Did you inspect the cartridge and the pump before you used it? Maybe you fell on it on a previous ride and cracked it. The manual probably says you should use only their cartridges, but you used a cheapo generic... it could have been overfilled. Was it in your hot, sweaty jersey pocket? That would raise the pressure. Does the manual say not to store them in hot conditions? Did you even read the manual? How long ago? When did you have your hearing checked last? Maybe your right was 25% low before the mishap.

Send some pictures and a letter to the companies involved. It is sad that the first thing everybody wants to do when something goes wrong is sue. You weren't even sure you were hurt and you already heard the cash register ring.

Sad.
 

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You probably found a way to do what all noobs do when gassing up their tires early on. Put lots of air pressure outside the valve in the transfer area. The plastic couldn't take it and it exploded. I can imagine this is pretty easy when there is hardly/no air in the tire.
 

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I think there are too many things pointing to operator error:

another companies CO2 cartridge, the couple of seconds before anything came out, and it was a mountain bike pump you were using on a road bike tire. I hope your hearing improves, good luck.
 

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Ok, what i Know. Pump was securly attached to valve. Head of presta valve was fully open. There WAS about a two second to three second delay before it blew up. Sometimes beads inside the valve dont pop right away, have noticed that before, but after three seconds kaboom. Your right possible operator error, but I stand by the fact that it shouldnt have exploded in such a manner from normal use. How many times could this have happened to other people?
Sounds like you're itching to get some money. You haven't really explained exactly what happened, and your "evidence" doesn't give any clue as to what the cause was. So it'll be your word against theirs. Already the amount of money you could get is dropping quickly. Maybe eventually they'll settle for a "nuisance" amount, which will be a pittance and even more so once your lawyer takes his slice.

Just go ride your bike. Your hearing will come back, and you don't deserve money because you got a bruise.
 

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Torts and "things of danger:" MacPherson v. Buick, 1916

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<rant>Come on, you were using something that is inherently dangerous, pressurized gasses. You should take responsibility for your own actions.
But the fact that pressurized gases are inherently dangerous means that this falls under the tort doctrine laid out by Judge Cardozo in MacPherson v. Buick, in 1916:
If the nature of a finished product placed on the market by a manufacturer ... is such that it is reasonably certain to place life and limb in peril if the product is negligently made, it is then a thing of danger. ... Irrespective of contract, the manufacturer of this thing of danger is under a duty to make it carefully.
In other words, if something is inherently dangerous, then the manufacturer is especially liable for negligence in design or construction. You will note that this precedent goes back 90 years and is nothing new in legal doctrine.
 

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Tough crowd. While I don't pretend to know the ins and outs, after all, the thing did blow up in his hand, folks.
 

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After reading your story and looking at your photo Im going to say you either

A: Did not insert the CO2 cartridge into the pump properly. Either not inserted/screwed far enough or cap not tightend all the way,

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B: You somehow applied too much force to the body of the pump while trying to inflate the tube, thus causing the top of the CO2 cartridge to separate from the pump.

The defense rests your honor. ;)
 
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