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many people will say its the legs that count and i know that thats true but i am 15 years old and one of the top junior cyclists in Victoria, Australia and i also placed 7th in the national titles last year and i am even getting the best coaching i can. i am thinking about upgrading my bike from a 7 year old alloy trek with ultegra to a cervelo soloist carbon with either dura ace, sram red which is slightly cheaper than dura ace or i can get the cervelo with normal ultegra. what do you think i should do about the bike upgrade? and what do you think i should get for the groupset?
cheers !!!shaunie!!!
 

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Meat before metal.

G'day Shaunie,
It is the meat (and the mind), not the metal. You could put Cadel or Gerro on a farm gate made rusty old water pipe and they would still cane (nearly) everyone in the country. There are crusty old vets in Melbourne on 20year old colnagos and concordes who could (and would) tear your young legs off and club you with the soggy end.

That said, nice bikes are nice to have and nice to ride. These would be my priorities to invest in:

1. Coaching

sounds like you've got that covered, then:

2. Frame that fits you well. If you're still growing (at 15 you will be), i'm not sure I'd invest in something as lush as the soloist, but I'm an old tightarse. Frame fit matters most.

if you've got 1&2 covered

3. Wheels - will make more performance difference than the diff b/w ultegra vs DA vs Red. If budget's an issue I'd put the price difference into wheels before groupset.

4. If money is no object go ahead and buy the soloist with DA (better yet, Chorus or Record, if your hands are big enough) if it'll make you happy and motivated to ride/train/race more on it. I have more bikes than I 'need' with nicer stuff on them than my riding/racing will ever justify, but I do enjoy them.


Good on yer son, ride strong and far.
 

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You should get on a junior development team that will throw a bike your way. It would be silly to buy an expensive frame that you will grow out of in one to two years.
 

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If you wa......"need" a new bike, then it is, ipso facto, the bike making you slower.
 

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It's both...However, it's 98% in the legs.

I can tell the difference between my two road bikes when I take them out for a ride. On my normal Wednesday 54 mile ride one is noticeably slower going up hill and overall is about 5 minutes on average slower than the other.

Now granted this is solo and riding with a group it might be different with drafting and such, but I can tell a definite difference.

If you already have the legs, but don't have the bike...then get the bike. If you don't have the legs, get them first :D
 

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Armchair Spaceman said:
What was it Eddie Merckz said??

Don't ride upgrades...ride...up...grades...

(Eddie might have a different take on that now that he has a bike brand in his name...hehehe)
Wow, that's a great quote.
 

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Even though you apparently are an amazing rider for your age, and possibly have an amazing future in cycling......................


It's your legs you fatty.
 

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It's just the legs. The bike only holds you back if it fails. And that is because you didn't maintain it.

case in point...

my fancy 2k frame got a crack 10 days ago. or at least i finally found it then. I've since been racing my old steel Masi with shimano 600. (you're too young to recall that groupo i'm sure, heck it was around before i was racing)

I've done 3 races on my old bike, all top 10 finishes. The bike can only lose you the race, never win it. That is just in the legs.
 

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shaunie, if u are serious we need to talk! seriously, are u looking to get into melb uni at any stage after school? hehe...

i'm surprised u're not sponsored... very surprised.... i know cycling isn't greatly supported in Australia, but it isn't too hard for even b graders to get some sort of sponsorship.... lots of shops such as shm and bikeNOW field teams and give away gear to their riders... even smaller shops like bikes de ver do so....u really need to start throwing around ur cv.
 

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!!!shaunie!!! said:
...one of the top junior cyclists in Victoria, Australia and i also placed 7th in the national titles last year...
First off - congratulations!

If you are as impressive as you and your coach think you are then equipment will be coming your way in the near future so do not go out spending your own money. In addition, since at 15 it is probably your parents money don't be wasting it like a Masters racer on stuff that does not yield performance improvements. Finally, crashes happen, only race what you can afford to replace before next weekends race.

Components - you really do not need top of the line stuff to smoke everyone in the field. Ultegra or Centaur (or the equivelant SRAM) will give you all the tools you need to let your legs do the talking.

Wheels - a great place to spend money as you can move them from bike to bike as your sponsors start throwing frames at you.

Frame - Fit is the most important part. Find a middle priced bike that wont be wasted money when you have another growth spurt. Move all your components to the next frame as you grow.

You left out one of the important parts of winning - the Mind! Without the legs you will never win a race but without the mind you will often be beaten by riders who are not as strong as you, particularly as you progress. It is always funny to see the guys that ride the gerbil wheel trainer all winter and then do not understand why they get smoked on their first races of the season by riders who are weaker, but smarter. As to the bike, as long as you have something middle of the line that fits and is not too heavy it will not make any difference.
 

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... ok, most of U are being practical and that's to be commended, and !!!shaunie!!! needs to be cognizant that he (she?) might still be growing so that dream machine might need to wait a bit... but...

We all know we'd want a new bike!

And, with all due respects to the Cannibal, a new rig may encourage an even greater commitment to riding up grades!
 

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Shaunie,
First thing to understand is---when you ask a question on this forum that 55% of the responses will be from Ludites and 40% from technogeeks. The other 5% have some interest in providing helpful information that is not agenda driven.

Do a Google search on Chris Carmichael and get some good information. You are already aware that a fast bike will not compensate for poor training or you wouldn't be where you are. On the other hand, energy spent flexing a poor frame is energy lost. Extra weight climbing will hurt significantly as well (either on your body or your bike). Good bikes do make a difference but only in the margin. Get somebody to sponsor you.
 

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Legs are prolly 95%+ of it, unless your current bike is of quite horrible quality and/or un-fit-able. 'Way back when', a bike DID make me a lot faster, but it was a fairly extreme example.

When I finally began to cycle seriously (back in the '80s) I did become quite a bit faster when I went from a very old, very low-end, slightly-rusting Raleigh (i.e. Wal-Mart quality or worse) to my first 'modern' good-quality bike (a Lotus).

I think the Lotus shaved almost ten minutes off of an out-and-back hour-long ride I commonly did at the time. But after that, it's diminishing returns, comparitively-speaking... the Raleigh was a huge heavy gas-pipe-tubed POS, just getting off of it did me a huge favor. Can't imagine anything having near that kind of impact over an already decent bike.

Regarding whatever bike you do get, I'd worry tons more about bike-fit and the associated power and aerodynamics (of you, not the bike), than being mesmerized by whatever the latest doohickeys are that might shave 20 grams. Pick a bike that you can fit on perfectly.

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thanks guys ive got a very nice pair of race wheels they're sub 1200gram velocitys made for time trialing and the bike that im on now is my dads old bike that he crashed and got repaired. ive also been training with a bottle filled with old things that my dad doesnt need and that puts another 2kg on to my bike. as in the way of coaching i have a coach that has worked with some drapac porsche riders and even Richard England. i am sponsered but the local bike shop who gives me free clothes and 20 to 25% off anything else. i am thinking about buying a frame that is to big for me so that if i do have a growth spurt i wont be to big for it. and the full bike price wit ultegra is around $4500 AUD wit the discount is that good for a cervelo soloist carbon?
 
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