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I know most cyclists have had occassion to think their 10 speed cassette just wasn't good enough. Those cyclist's prayers will be answered now that Campy is coming out with an 11 speed! Now I'm sure our performance and cycling pleasure will increase substantially!
 

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This has been discussed ad nauseam on this board but the reality is I have heard this same argument from 5-6 speed, 6-7 speed, 7-8 speed, 8-9 speed, 9-10 speed. I ride a single speed on both my bikes, I don't need more than that, but if someone wants a 72 speed bike, so be it. I hope they have fun riding it. As long as people ride bikes, why should we care?
 

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denmikseb said:
I know most cyclists have had occassion to think their 10 speed cassette just wasn't good enough. Those cyclist's prayers will be answered now that Campy is coming out with an 11 speed! Now I'm sure our performance and cycling pleasure will increase substantially!
Actually a 11-21 straight block and a compact crank would be nice--no gear jumps and little loss compared to a 12-25 and 53/39. Now if only there was some visible shiny alloy, such as on the brifters.
 

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... it was either Suntour or Browning who developed a patent for a 14 speed cogset and cassette back in the mid nineties... then Shimano bought them out and shelved it... so there may still be a few cardz to be played before we go to a pure CVT drivetrain...
 

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Because we're reaching a point where the usefulness of many gears is not worth the lack of durability.
so far the tests are reporting the 11s chain as stronger then 10s
think about it... with a shorter pin in the chain you have a smaller span for the load to sit. picture a 2x4. spanning 8' and you stand on it it will flex and migh break under your weight. now reduce that span to 12". No way in heck that thing is going to break.
 

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so far the tests are reporting the 11s chain as stronger then 10s
think about it... with a shorter pin in the chain you have a smaller span for the load to sit. picture a 2x4. spanning 8' and you stand on it it will flex and migh break under your weight. now reduce that span to 12". No way in heck that thing is going to break.
Will we need a $90 Campy tool to set the master link?
 

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Bocephus Jones II said:
Will we need a $90 Campy tool to set the master link?
Friends don't let friends NOT use Wipperman Connex Links...
 

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bauerb said:
that's amazing. I do all my racing in NJ and don't even use my small chainring. what would I do with 11 gears in the back?
So you can do the Vernon race and the Long Valley race in your big ring? I'd be surprised if you could do that race with the one hill near Princeton in the big ring. Maybe you mean Southern NJ or perhaps your real name is Marco and you're back from the dead.
 

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bauerb said:
that's amazing. I do all my racing in NJ and don't even use my small chainring. what would I do with 11 gears in the back?
Park Ridge in the big ring? Don't think so.
 

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denmikseb said:
I know most cyclists have had occassion to think their 10 speed cassette just wasn't good enough. Those cyclist's prayers will be answered now that Campy is coming out with an 11 speed! Now I'm sure our performance and cycling pleasure will increase substantially!
"But this one goes to 11...."

There, now it's been said and this thread can die.
 

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Blakcloud: "As long as people ride bikes, why should we care?"

Good question! Here's why we should care. Let's say you're riding a 10 spd bike now. In a few years your bike's drive train is going to become obsolete. So maybe you really, really like your bike and ride it. A lot. Stuff is going to either wear out or break. When you want to replace it you:
1. won't be able to find it
2. won't be able to afford it if you can find it
3. nothing you own will be compatible with anything else you buy.

I'm in this spot right now. I have a bike that I bought new in '94. It's all Campy. I need a new 8spd rear hub - 32 hole. I can't find one. I can't use anything else without converting the whole (**(%$% bike. If I did decide to change (I refuse to use the term "upgrade") to a more current grouppo, it'd cost me around $1500.00 +. Even if I did that, which one would I change to? Campy 9 spd? Campy 10 spd? Campy 11 spd? Shimano 9 spd. Shimano 10 spd?

THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD CARE.
 

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Mr. Versatile I don't buy your argument Let me see if I got this right. We shouldn't buy anything new because in fouteen years it might be obsolete and heaven forbid you can't buy or afford a replacement. Progress happens whether you or I like it or not. Plus you got fourteen years out of a hub, I consider that a success. It is too bad you can't find a hub for your bike, but I am having a hard time finding a pedal for my boneshaker but I don't bemoan the fact that we have moved way past boneshakers in bicycle development.

And btw look at this

I know it is expensive but still cheaper than 1500 you were talking about.
 

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Mr. Versatile said:
Blakcloud: "As long as people ride bikes, why should we care?"

Good question! Here's why we should care. Let's say you're riding a 10 spd bike now. In a few years your bike's drive train is going to become obsolete. So maybe you really, really like your bike and ride it. A lot. Stuff is going to either wear out or break. When you want to replace it you:
1. won't be able to find it
2. won't be able to afford it if you can find it
3. nothing you own will be compatible with anything else you buy.

I'm in this spot right now. I have a bike that I bought new in '94. It's all Campy. I need a new 8spd rear hub - 32 hole. I can't find one. I can't use anything else without converting the whole (**(%$% bike. If I did decide to change (I refuse to use the term "upgrade") to a more current grouppo, it'd cost me around $1500.00 +. Even if I did that, which one would I change to? Campy 9 spd? Campy 10 spd? Campy 11 spd? Shimano 9 spd. Shimano 10 spd?

THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD CARE.
I don't know if these guys help, but maybe they can:

http://www.loosescrews.com/

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