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Pitting Lance against the Babe is fun, but in my opinion Babe Ruth showed the most outrageous step-increase in capability of any athlete ever, in any sport. His power stats were insane compared with anyone who came before. Lance's 7 Tours, Usain Bolt's records, and Barry Bond's 73 don't come close to Ruth's 54 in 1920. He changed the game almost beyond recognition. I can't think of any other athlete having as big an impact.
 

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You've got 3 strikes and only 1 ball. :D

Babe's idea of PEDs was whiskey, hot dogs, and cigars. :lol:

Bear in mind that before 1920, he was a pitcher. I think he may still hold some World Series pitching record??
 

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Pitting Lance against the Babe is fun, but in my opinion Babe Ruth showed the most outrageous step-increase in capability of any athlete ever, in any sport. His power stats were insane compared with anyone who came before. Lance's 7 Tours, Usain Bolt's records, and Barry Bond's 73 don't come close to Ruth's 54 in 1920. He changed the game almost beyond recognition. I can't think of any other athlete having as big an impact.
Babe Ruth by all accounts was outrageous but you really should look up Sir Don Bradman. He is arguably untouched as a the greatest batsman in cricket and statistically the greatest sportsman ever. No one has ever come close to his stats in cricket - he truly dominated the game . Look him up - here is the wiki link.

"Sir Donald George Bradman, AC (27 August 1908 – 25 February 2001), often referred to as "The Don", was an Australian cricketer, widely acknowledged as the greatest Test batsman of all time. Bradman's career Test batting average of 99.94 is often cited as statistically the greatest achievement by any sportsman in any major sport."
 

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Babe Ruth by all accounts was outrageous but you really should look up Sir Don Bradman. He is arguably untouched as a the greatest batsman in cricket and statistically the greatest sportsman ever. No one has ever come close to his stats in cricket - he truly dominated the game . Look him up - here is the wiki link.

"Sir Donald George Bradman, AC (27 August 1908 – 25 February 2001), often referred to as "The Don", was an Australian cricketer, widely acknowledged as the greatest Test batsman of all time. Bradman's career Test batting average of 99.94 is often cited as statistically the greatest achievement by any sportsman in any major sport."
Sachin Tendulkar comes close on many records. Except the test average one.
 

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Sachin Tendulkar comes close on many records. Except the test average one.
But that is my point. Tendulkar was a great batsman (the second greatest ever according to Wisden) but Bradman was getting almost double the runs per innings ~53 vs 99. The aside from Tendulkar closest other batsman in history is only averaging 60.
 

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I thought cricket referred to an insect that you typically find outdoors during the night. Do what now?
That kind of ignorance deserves baseball....

The Don would have made a pretty good career in baseball, especially for getting hits, rather than as a power hitter. Ruth as a cricketer? Maybe a quick fifty lower down the order but that's about it.
 

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That kind of ignorance deserves baseball....

The Don would have made a pretty good career in baseball, especially for getting hits, rather than as a power hitter. Ruth as a cricketer? Maybe a quick fifty lower down the order but that's about it.
Apparently my ignorance is on par with your sense of humor. We should definitely bring up jai alai since we are discussing sports that 85% of the world does not understand or care to watch. Good thing India has over 1 billion citizens, or that number would be more like 99%. Don't get me wrong, I am sure a good cricket player has excellent eye-hand coordination.
 

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Apparently my ignorance is on par with your sense of humor. We should definitely bring up jai alai since we are discussing sports that 85% of the world does not understand or care to watch. Good thing India has over 1 billion citizens, or that number would be more like 99%. Don't get me wrong, I am sure a good cricket player has excellent eye-hand coordination.
You mean just like baseball - where the US and a few other countries play it with any seriousness. But yes you do need excellent eye-hand coordination.
 

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Hows about Edison Arantes do Nascimento...aka Pele...

1282 Goals in 1366 games. Lead team to 3 world cups including the first at the age of 17 in 1958. Average goals per game .94. 3 FIFA World Cups, 1 FIFA World Cup Golden Ball. Messi holds a couple more individual records but in terms of consistency over a career and impact on the sport, I think Pele is on the caliber of "The babe", Merckx, etc.
 

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in terms of consistency over a career and impact on the sport, I think Pele is on the caliber of "The babe", Merckx, etc.
I'm no soccer expert, but that's what I've always heard. My original comment about Ruth concerned the "out of nowhere" nature of his first big season of power numbers, sort of like Armstrong's "out of nowhere" 1999 TdF. Maybe Pele and The Don were just as surprising to fans of their respective sports. Were they?
 

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I'm no soccer expert, but that's what I've always heard. My original comment about Ruth concerned the "out of nowhere" nature of his first big season of power numbers, sort of like Armstrong's "out of nowhere" 1999 TdF. Maybe Pele and The Don were just as surprising to fans of their respective sports. Were they?
As I said earlier---he came out of nowhere because prior to that break-out season, he was the best left handed pitcher in baseball. 1919 was his first season as an everyday player, and the Red Sox still used him as a pitcher. He started 15 games that season, came in as a reliever in two others, and still managed 19 HR. He was traded to the Yankees before the 1920 season, and they decided to use him as a full time outfielder. And the rest, as they say, is history.

The ballpark matters, too. Fenway Park was never a friendly park for lefty pull hitters, when it came to HRs. With the Yankees, he started in the Polo Grounds which had a 250' fence down the right field line, and then moved to Yankee Stadium with its famous short porch in right.
 

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I love you guys. I love cycling. I love it when we can get out of our provincial little bubbles and see what others see.

Baseball. Cycling. Babe vs Lance.

But there are crickets chirping.

Babe won 20 games before he was traded. That's the elite level in an elite sport.

No real enhancements used. Today, virtually no one is above suspicion in any sport. There are kids at my son's High School taking stupid but legal steroid spin offs. The coaches encourage it. Lift every day, get destroyed on Friday night in front of the home crowd. Torn ACl and a concussion for desert. Bring up the replacements. Hell, in Stockton California, just down the road from us, the coach went to American Samoa and recruited big boys to come and live in a slush funded house and play football. 17 year olds folks.

Insanity to win knows no boundaries or decency.

Babe was decent and an icon that is untouchable. Truly sorry I don't know cricket or soccer. Wouldn't Pele be a Babe of the sport ?
 

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There's no comparison to LA and the Babe.

LA is a bully. And like most bullies, when he didn't have his little group with him and he got punched in the mouth he ran... crying to Oprah.

Babe Ruth was also a bit of a jerk. But he took his punches and held his ground. Can you every imagine Babe on Oprah? That's a funny thought...
 

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Apparently my ignorance is on par with your sense of humor. We should definitely bring up jai alai since we are discussing sports that 85% of the world does not understand or care to watch. Good thing India has over 1 billion citizens, or that number would be more like 99%. Don't get me wrong, I am sure a good cricket player has excellent eye-hand coordination.
If you're going to dismiss a sport for lack of interest, get your figures right. Cricket is traditionally followed in countries across the world totalling 24% of the population. Compare that to baseball, which is followed barely a fifth of the world. And yet the US has the arrogance to use the term World Series!
 

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If you're going to dismiss a sport for lack of interest, get your figures right. Cricket is traditionally followed in countries across the world totalling 24% of the population. Compare that to baseball, which is followed barely a fifth of the world. And yet the US has the arrogance to use the term World Series!
If you look at individual countries the US is =/> Cricket, India skews the numbers for Cricket. Just saying
 

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If you look at individual countries the US is =/> Cricket, India skews the numbers for Cricket. Just saying
Ok, just playing the numbers game, taking out India still leaves Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka as countries where cricket is by far the most popular sport. Combined population: 300million, roughly equal to the U.S. If the U.S. didn't play baseball you'd be left with Japan/Korea and a few banana republics in the Spanish-speaking Caribbean. Face it, you can't even get the Canadians worked up about your 'national pastime'...and why should they, when they have the infinitely more watchable ice-hockey?
 
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