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at least Kohl is still alive.

From the cyclingnews article:

The blood transfusions took place at Matschiner's house. "As far as I know, Matschiner was instructed by a doctor as to how to use the equipment," Kohl said. "He handled it professionally and carried out the transfusions himself."

Matschiner "took things over, bought the equipment and was in charge of the blood doping," according to Kohl's attorney, Manfred Ainedter. Kohl and other athletes helped to pay for the equipment, "but Mr. Matschiner carried it all out. He treated Bernhard and, of course, others."
 

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Dwayne Barry said:
at least Kohl is still alive.

From the cyclingnews article:

The blood transfusions took place at Matschiner's house. "As far as I know, Matschiner was instructed by a doctor as to how to use the equipment," Kohl said. "He handled it professionally and carried out the transfusions himself."

Matschiner "took things over, bought the equipment and was in charge of the blood doping," according to Kohl's attorney, Manfred Ainedter. Kohl and other athletes helped to pay for the equipment, "but Mr. Matschiner carried it all out. He treated Bernhard and, of course, others."
Yeah, a lot of these guys seem pretty mentally disturbed. You're right in stating that at least he survived this regimen. This has gotten to the point of something like heroin addiction where people are shooting into abscessed arms and all.

This sport has a terrible illness. Actovegin? Bovine hemoglobin, all these needles and injections? Very, very sick... As the Italian anti-doping activist Professor Sandro Donati noted about Pantani's performances, "it was pornography."

When I saw the accusations against TH, that he was doping on 114 out of just over 200 days during the season in 2003 or 2004, it became apparent that this is some very effed up sh!t.
 

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I started a thread about five months ago saying we should give Kohl some credit for coming clean. Naively I wanted to believe that he just used Cera on his own after the Dauphine. What a crock of sh** that story was. The guy was doing some serious doping and was obviously doing it for a long time before he was caught.
Stefan is coming across as being some sort of sociopath in his denials though.
I believe totally that Christian was clean in last year's Tour, so enormous credit must be afforded to him for coming so close to Kohl considering the doping regime Kohl had going on.
 

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Digger28 said:
I believe totally that Christian was clean in last year's Tour, so enormous credit must be afforded to him for coming so close to Kohl considering the doping regime Kohl had going on.
I don't ever believe anyone is clean especially since he wasn't exactly associating with the cleanest bunch of folks (as if in cycling that is at all possible) for much of his career.

I'll believe there is a possibility he and Contador/Levi were clean at last year's tour, but not get anywhere near thinking that's even remotely close to 100% probability.
 

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Dwayne Barry said:
I'll believe there is a possibility he and Contador/Levi were clean at last year's tour, but not get anywhere near thinking that's even remotely close to 100% probability.
I'm 100% sure that Levi and Contador did not dope during any Tour de France stage they started last year. Kloden either.
 

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True, 100% True.

Alaska, very funny and 100% true. But were they clean during the 2008 TDF during stages that they did not start - they seem to do pretty well in the Vuelta :)

Ps - I always try to look on the bright side too. Actually that's not true but I had to post this picture.
 

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Actually the scary thing about the Kohl case is just how doped up he was since 2005, and yet was never caught until the Tour last year. And this in the so called 'clean era'. Made me wonder just how many other riders are still doped, but just not to the extent that Kohl was.
 

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1stmh said:
Actually the scary thing about the Kohl case is just how doped up he was since 2005, and yet was never caught until the Tour last year.
Very good point. If he was transfusing was the Passport picking it up?
 

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Very good point. If he was transfusing was the Passport picking it up?
Doesn't the passport look for unusual spikes or drops in one's parameters? This means that a rider now has to keep micro dosing, or whatever the hell they do, all throughout the year keeping their blood at a steady level. This means in theory, that a rider with a natural 'crit level of 39 can keep his up at 45 all throughout the year and never get caught, at least through the blood passport system. This of course doesn't take into account any advanced warnings they may get thus further complicating matters for anti-doping authorities.
 

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bigpinkt said:
Very good point. If he was transfusing was the Passport picking it up?
If the UCI has any sense they will of course say it did, regardless of whether they saw it or not.

Although, clearly as long as the Biopassport remains a mere threat it completely likely that many are still tranfusing.
 

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MG537 said:
Doesn't the passport look for unusual spikes or drops in one's parameters? This means that a rider now has to keep micro dosing, or whatever the hell they do, all throughout the year keeping their blood at a steady level. This means in theory, that a rider with a natural 'crit level of 39 can keep his up at 45 all throughout the year and never get caught, at least through the blood passport system. This of course doesn't take into account any advanced warnings they may get thus further complicating matters for anti-doping authorities.
Micro dosing is not very helpful to keep your Hct up. It is more often used to make sure your off score does not go sideways when you transfuse. Kohl said he transfused 4-5 times over the period of almost 3 years, this should show some rather large spikes in Hct.

Supposedly the main focus of the Passport is to catch transfusions, considering it has been nothing more then talk for over two years now I do hold out much hope for it to be much success.
 
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