brokerecord said:Sure I can believe that,and I know that Tiawan does make some good replacement parts! Such as Long Shen and Tek. My point was, that before out sourcing, if you bought an Itailian bike you got flair, good looks, precision handling and tight clearance. A French bike was lighter tubes, longer wheelbase,neat lugs and run of the mill parts, but, was a great long distance bike. An English bike was solid with sloppy brazing on the outside, bright paint and some fancy but rough lugs,and it would last forever. Japan bikes were state of the art, very plain and yet very pretty, solid and extra precise.But, they couldn't beat the Italian mystic! Then came USA late in the game and they mixed and matched parts,precise to the .0001", speciel lugs and speciel paint, but equel to or better then everyone else. The price started up and to keep pace,OUT SOURCING was the name of the game. But they all relied on their former reputations when in fact they were all being built in the same huge plants by people who had no interest in bikes except, that's where they worked at. The same applies here at home! Your LBS has to know something about bikes to survive. If you call a giant ware house who has the same part for 10% less, ask them a tech question???? Or which part do they recommend, natually it will be the highest priced one . It's all changed and not for the cyclists good. But,$$$. I wonder if in the year 2040 will the 2005 Trek Madonna be selling for 2xs what it cost today??
So? It doesn't make any difference.collectorvelo said:From what i can tell - No Motobecane bikes are made in China
They all seem to be made in Taiwan
Sounds like you never been to China. I recommend you to travel more.collectorvelo said:There is a BIG difference between Taiwan and China
So you basically picked your bike based on where it's made? Not because how it performs? Do you know anything about bikes?collectorvelo said:I had been looking at Specialized and Cannondale carbon finber bikes - but decided no way once I found out the frames are from China
China opposes us in our attempt to keep Iran from getting the BombLBK said:So? It doesn't make any difference.
Sounds like you never been to China. I recommend you to travel more.
So you basically picked your bike based on where it's made? Not because how it performs? Do you know anything about bikes?
OMG....you know what? I've been to Cuba. puhahahah. How ignorant. What do you mean by "invade"? Do you know that they are infact same country? Anyway, dId I ask you about their governments? I thought we were talking bikes?collectorvelo said:China opposes us in our attempt to keep Iran from getting the Bomb
China will not let Tibet be free
China has prisioners in jail for speaking out against the government
China allows and promotes children working in salve conditions
China threaths to invade and take over Taiwan and convert them from a free country to their 'better system'
sounds like to me; you have never been to Cuba
also sounds like you do not care where your money goes
i prefer my money go to a country where people are not throw in jail for saying the government sucks [which it surely does in china]
LBK said:OMG....you know what? I've been to Cuba. puhahahah. How ignorant. What do you mean by "invade"? Do you know that they are infact same country? Anyway, dId I ask you about their governments? I thought we were talking bikes?
I'll just stop wasting my time now replying to ya.
I would not link PB's house brand (Scattante) with Moto in any way shape or form. You can walk in to a PB store, inspect their actual bikes, and even do a short test ride. You can call PB & speak with a real person for customer support. In my experience, PB's staff has been about as knowledgeable as the ave LBS- and usu more friendly.Cfrone1 said:Motobecane, Ibex, Performance, etc....Heres an idea. Go to a good shop, test ride some bikes, get a good fit, and buy a bike from a reputable company. You will be glad for years to come...