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I was giving some thought to a scooter for motor pacing and tooling around town some. I noticed that there is a flood of chinese made scooter about 1/3rd the cost of Hondas and Yamahas. Does anyone have any experience with whether these scooters are "junk" or a good buy. They are sold on the internet and ebay and don't appear to have a traditioanl dealer net work.
 

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I was giving some thought to a scooter for motor pacing and tooling around town some. I noticed that there is a flood of chinese made scooter about 1/3rd the cost of Hondas and Yamahas. Does anyone have any experience with whether these scooters are "junk" or a good buy. They are sold on the internet and ebay and don't appear to have a traditioanl dealer net work.
Junk. Parts are hard to get, too.
 

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I have a 96 Yamaha Razz that I bought new. These new scooters will run a little faster which is a plus and some are four stroke where mine is a 2 stroke. Some states have outlawed 2 stroke because of pollution. I know a guy who also rides a bicycle who just bought his second Chinese scooter for cheap (still has the first). I ran into him the other day and he stopped to chat and said he had just had a cylinder kit put on his that beefed it up to 70cc and offered to let me take a ride but I turned him down. He bought his at a local distributer and presumably can get parts if he needs them. You gotta remember the Chinese have been riding motorscooters extensively for a long time. My Razz still runs great after 6k. Other than replacing the battery, back tire, and cleaning the carb I've never had to do anything to it. I wish it would run a little faster. Slugrockets are a lot of fun to ride and cheap trans too. Maybe even cheaper than a bicycle if you subtract the cost of the extra beer and potatochips required to power a bicycle, from the cost of gasoline.
 

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I've sold a couple of my scooters in the last few years. My favorite was a 1985 50cc Honda Spree. I had a late 80's 50cc Yamaha Rave as well, sold that too. I still have a finicky, hotrodded Puch Moped with a 70cc kit, and bigger front sprocket for more speed. The bone stock Spree was the easiest to get parts for, whether at my local honda dealer or on eBay. It would max out at about 25-28 mph toting my 210 pounds around. For motorpacing on flats it would've been fine with a smaller rider.

I like beat-up old 2 stoke scooters. Ratty, able to withstand my kids t-boning a curb in the nieghborhood, or making a quick morning trip to the corner store for more 1/2&1/2.
 

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I want a Vespa, but that is license plates, insurance and big bucks. The Stella from India by the former makers of Vespa is nice little machine with the old look, but some new tech like disc brakes. About the same price as an old Vespa but you give up the retrocool. Considering unloading the motorcycle and the Razz and going one of those routes. Would have to give up access to some roads, and would rather keep the motorcycle than buy a highway scooter.
 

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fwiw, i considered a honda scooter, but decided i was (am) more of a moto guy (always have been). bought a 750cc vt shadow (2004) new. i've done quite a bit of lead-motorpacing for groups and individuals on it.

again, fwiw.
 

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Junk. Parts are hard to get, too.
Big Bad John, are your comments made from experience, or someone yu know who bought a Chinese import or just guessing?
 

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Youse guys are prolly right. New plan: get rid of Razz and old Suburban, keep MC and buy Vespa, go back to trailer hitch on auto, Rent truck from U-haul when needed. Continue to ride bicycle 90% of time.
 

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Big Bad John, are your comments made from experience, or someone yu know who bought a Chinese import or just guessing?
Experience. I'm sure that the scooters made in China for the Chinese market are fine. I know that the Chinese can make high-quality goods. I know about the exported scooters from friends owning them, and I helped work on a couple. They were not high quality in my opinion, and parts were hard to come by, but this was a rural area.
 

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My first and second to last motorised vehicle was a sky blue Vespa PX 125cc babe magnet. Why on earth I ever sold the damn thing is beyond me.......

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Because it was a rattling death-trap? I like scooters, but the Vespa a friend up the street had was terrifying. The whole grip-shifting thing and terrible brakes--Yikes!

They're cool, but give me something more modern, thanks.
 

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Because it was a rattling death-trap? I like scooters, but the Vespa a friend up the street had was terrifying. The whole grip-shifting thing and terrible brakes--Yikes!

They're cool, but give me something more modern, thanks.
Man, I *loved* the grip shift! Way before its time -- SRAM was way late on that one!

Anyhow -- I also loved the ride of the Vespa -- that thing did more for my cyclocross skills than anything else. It also kept me honest -- it rode like a straightback chair on wheels -- the center of balance on that thing was something like 3 metres behind the rear wheel! If it had been any easier to ride, I would have felt comfortable riding it drunk -- in which case it is highly likely I would not have lived through 1984-1986.

And as I type these words, I am thinking back wistfully on a since unsurpassed stream of female companions that that beauty seemed to draw... sigh!

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The Stella scooters are made at the same place that made Vespas. It has a 150cc motor on a Vespa P200E chassis. Not a big fan of the smaller engine but it can be upgraded to go about 10 mph faster than stock. Also, it has front disc brakes that are much better than the Vespas and an electric start. I rode Vespas many years ago and I really like the Stellas. As far as the old Vespas on eBay, most come from Viet Nam. They look beautiful, but I've heard there are a lot of problems mechanically with them. What do you do then? Also, if you are not careful there are a lot of customs fees, etc.
 

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How about a nice Lambretta??

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Web Site that Discusses Chinese Motor Scooters

Schneiderguy said:
I was giving some thought to a scooter for motor pacing and tooling around town some. I noticed that there is a flood of chinese made scooter about 1/3rd the cost of Hondas and Yamahas. Does anyone have any experience with whether these scooters are "junk" or a good buy. They are sold on the internet and ebay and don't appear to have a traditioanl dealer net work.
If you are interested and want to squander an hour or so, check out:

abacus-es.net/motorscooter/chinese_scooters
 

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Still miss my Vespa, but re Vietnamese scoots...

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The Stella scooters are made at the same place that made Vespas. It has a 150cc motor on a Vespa P200E chassis. Not a big fan of the smaller engine but it can be upgraded to go about 10 mph faster than stock. Also, it has front disc brakes that are much better than the Vespas and an electric start. I rode Vespas many years ago and I really like the Stellas. As far as the old Vespas on eBay, most come from Viet Nam. They look beautiful, but I've heard there are a lot of problems mechanically with them. What do you do then? Also, if you are not careful there are a lot of customs fees, etc.
I have a Vespa for a year after I got out of the Army, and I don't think I've had that much fun on any vehicle, motorized or not. Somebody ran into it in front of my house and totalled it, and about once a year I get the urge to go buy a new one.

Regarding Vietnamese scooters, though: I don't know the current situation, but I was a medic in Vietnam and for awhile I worked in a Civilian Irregular Defense Group (Montagnard soldiers trained and led by Americans) hospital in Pleiku. One of our surgical assistants had a Vespa he was really proud of, kept it shined up and tiptoed around in it. Somebody nicked him in a Jeep and dented the front fender, and I'd done some bodywork, so I told him I'd help him take it off and see if we could beat it out smooth. When we started tapping at it with a hammer and homemade bumping dolly, of course the paint started chipping off. The thing was made out of an old red-white-and-blue Pepsi sign.
 
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