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No matter what the circumstance, it's NEVER a good idea for a guy to fight a girl. Either you beat up the girl and you look like a creep or you get beat up and you look even worse. It looked like that girl got a good piece of that guy before the crowd got to him. You go girl!
 

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If you read down, "hool" explains it more, and they are both wrong. And no, you should never, ever fight a woman. But he is stupid, and so is she, they both diserve a visit from the po-po.
 

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I could never get into the mindset where i could justify hitting a girl in an altercation....it's just wrong. my guess is that this guy was just a ticking time-bomb. he sure looks like a psycho in those pics!!!
on the other hand, and it doesn't justify the guy's cowardly actions, if you read the story on that page, the courier picked up something the guy threw out of his vehicle and threw it back at him-not a good idea. i would feel a lot more sorry for her if this altercation had been started by a collision or something more accidental. poor judgement definitely.
 

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Guy an ass, Girl stupid

I have been on the side of the same thing. I saw someone throw something out and put it in the back of their truck. (my way of trying to show up the person). After a few door dings from their car we both went on their way. If you don't like the trash pick it up and put it in the trash., with a nice comment. What she did is only going to cause problems. If I am not mistaken she also is going to be held responsible for destruction of property for keying someones car. Both parties were stupid. Vigilanty justice is not smart and this is the reason.
 

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And keying the car is the cherry on top.
If you read her own account 3/4 of the way down the thread, you'll see that she didn't key the car, but rather he assaulted her and her key which was on a cand around her wrist caught the bodywork making a 1.5cm mark in the lacquer!
I've been riding along when various bits of litter and lit cigarette butts have been lobbed out of the window of a car into my face on several occasions. It takes no effort at all to keep it in the car until you get to your destination. This guy actually opened his door whilst moving!
I'm sick of seeing this day in day out. It's common courtesy. From what I read, he was a grade A thug who threatened the photographer with a baseball bat that he carried in the car!
 

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yeah the guy's a psycho allright. I hadn't gotten far enough down the page to read her account, but if its true, then this guy should really do some time. I still that doesnt give her the right to play environmental police.
 

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Thread's reopened after spring cleaning. Knock off the slap fight- don't make me pull this care over!

Read the forum guidelines if you have any questions.
 

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I was returning home from a ride and an arm extended itself from the passenger side of a car and dropped an empty candy bag on the street. As the car was stopped at a red light and the window was still down, I rode up to the car, picked up the bag, said "You dropped this" and put the bag in the young lady's lap. I expected it to fly out again along with various obscenities, but nothing happened. Both the driver and passenger stared fixedly out the front window until the light changed. I expected then to see the bag reappear, but it remained in the car. I believe that the woman realized the error of her ways and will not litter again.

Of course, they could have been a Bonnie and Clyde and pulled out various weapons and blown me into small pieces.
 

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Thread's reopened after spring cleaning. Knock off the slap fight- don't make me pull this care over!

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and he WILL pull this care over!
 

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I was leaving home in the car some years ago. I stopped at the curb to ck the mail & left my car running. Just then, a car with 4 teens in it drove by & threw McDonald's trash on my yard. I was pissed! I picked up the trash, got in the car & followed them home. When they pulled in their driveway & got out of the car, I drove by & threw their trash on their yard.

You should have heard them yell! :D
 

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and he WILL pull this care over!
And I "care" a lot about typos.


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On the front page of todays Toronto Star

The thread is really worth reading, so may different viewpoints and sides, including the courier explaining the incident. It hit the front page of Toronto's biggest daily today with a good balanced report. The guy in the car must have been horrified when he saw that. It's on the CBC news on-line too. Awesome

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...479&call_pageid=968350130169&col=969483202845
 

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Many wade into bike-car brawl online
More than 100,000 hits on website documenting fight
`Psycho motorists strike again,' one angry posting proclaims
Jan. 31, 2006. 08:38 AM
BETSY POWELL
CRIME REPORTER

A series of dramatic photographs capturing a quintessential urban confrontation — a daytime brawl between a bike courier and a motorist in downtown Toronto — has sparked a raging debate in cyberspace.
The vigorous, sometimes vitriolic venting weighs in on a host of topics from pedestrian versus motorist rights and conjecture about the nationalities and sexual preferences of the combatants, to littering and whether the photographer should have put down his camera and stepped in to stop the violence.
The incident apparently began after a man tossed food onto the street in Kensington Market and escalated when the cyclist threw the food back into his car.
"Psycho motorists strike again!" said one posting on the website Citynoise.org, where photographer Adam Krawesky posted the images last Thursday.
Visitor traffic has since gone through the roof with more than 100,000 hits being logged by yesterday afternoon. The images are also circulating widely on the Internet and appear on dozens of websites as far away as The Netherlands, some in foreign languages, with links provided to Citynoise.
But many postings also sided with the unidentified man.
"The ***** chucked food in his car. Yeah, he's a moron for littering, but she made it personal ... it's nice she's so passionate about the environment that she seeks personal confrontation by shoving food back into people's laps, but honestly, what did she expect?" reads one.
Krawesky said while the incident highlights the "gulf between cyclists and motorists, typically male motorists," the subsequent online discussion mirrors another aspect of human interaction.
"It's interesting how the Internet reflects in one way when you're in a car — in the same way the anonymity of the Internet and posting all sorts of threatening, awful things that you would never do if you were actually face to face," says the 28-year-old who works as an editor at Citynoise.org.
Krawesky posted 15 images of the altercation Jan. 26, several days after the incident on Augusta Ave., near Nassau St., in the heart of downtown's fabled and crowded Kensington Market.
He'd just finished photographing an elderly woman wearing a colourful headscarf when "it just exploded in front of my eyes ... and my first reaction is camera to the eye and start shooting."
The woman in the photos, a bicycle courier named Leah, said yesterday she is uneasy with her newfound Internet fame but chose to add her voice to the blog to tell her version about what happened.
It unravelled in two stages, she explained. She was out shopping — it was a Saturday and she wasn't making deliveries — and was locking up her bike when she heard someone yelling.
"He had popped open his car door and whipped his food on the road, like a beef patty on a bun in a paper bag, and then slammed the door ... so obviously now, against better judgment, I leapt up, grabbed the food, opened his door, shouted something about `Don't litter in my neighbourhood,' and threw it back in his car and shut the door. He lost it."
She then added: "I understand, that's your personal space and in hindsight maybe it wasn't the best way to approach it."
What followed happened fast. She said he jumped out of the car, and threw two coffees at her, and the two tussled and yelled at each other. She says her bike lock key, worn on a bracelet around her wrist, scratched his car — she says unintentionally. The fracas continued, with bystanders jumping in to separate the sparring pair.
Leah said in five years as a courier she has had no physical confrontations.
"There's a lot of postings about `self-righteous bike couriers' but I'm not like that. I hate litter," she said adding she makes her son pick up 10 pieces of garbage in the park "before he's allowed to play."
"I do say stuff to people and they usually yell back and that's fine, move along. But I'm not generally in the practice of handing people back their garbage." Someone did post the man's identity — and workplace — on the website but Krawesky had it removed for fear of things ramping up further.
The day of the incident, police arrived at the scene and interviewed the two but did not lay any charges — another source of fiery discussion on the Web.
One posting wondered how so many people could offer "random speculation" based only on "a few pictures which can be taken a lot of different ways." He reprimanded the photographer for being "a jerk for taking photos as he watched."
On that, Krawesky has the last word — at least in print.
"My first reaction is shoot — because I'm a photographer — just like her first reaction is to throw the trash back in the car. She understood that."
Additional articles by Betsy Powell
 
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