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Soon, they'll be saying "Name DO!"
(same 6 letters)

The English translation of the Romanian word "EMONDA" in the mark is "TO PRUNE".
(straight from their tm filing)

I guess they're pruning weight.
 

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So Trek just announced their latest bike line whose top end model comes in at 10.25lb:

Gallery: Trek's new 10.25-pound Emonda - VeloNews.com

I guess Trek is clearly betting the UCI weight limit will eventually be drastically reduced, but for now the UCI weight limit stands at ~15lb which gives a 4.75lb delta. What good does using a featherweight bike like this convey when all that weight just has to be added back on in the end anyways? How would the pros use this weight credit?
Why does everyone assume that a bike will be ridden by pros/in UCI events? There really ARE people who just ride bikes for fun...
 

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This bike is just like Felts IA TT bike. It does not meet UCI requirements but not everyone has to abide by those requirements. Its nice to see a big company pushing technology, it will trickle down at some point and force other companies to design something to compete against it and will also eventually push the UCI to update their outdated rules.
 

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This bike is just like Felts IA TT bike. It does not meet UCI requirements but not everyone has to abide by those requirements. Its nice to see a big company pushing technology, it will trickle down at some point and force other companies to design something to compete against it and will also eventually push the UCI to update their outdated rules.
You say that like it is necessarily a good thing.

For example how many different bottom bracket designs have come out since the final gen of square tapers...all promising to be the "new standard"...all making BS claims of being "__% stiffer"...but end up being less durable...more hassle...oh yea, and cost 5X as much as the old gear they replace for little or no conceivable benefit?

How about cranksets? Remember when a top of the line Campy Record 9s or 10s crankset was $200 a decade ago?



Penis measuring "competitions" like this drives up profit margins but not much else for the little folk.
 

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if you were to ride in a UCI race with minimum weight requirements you would have to add weight to not be DQ.

I looked at the line the other night, looks to be a nice product for sure. My wife really likes her Domane 4.3. I am happy with my 16lb Giant Propel Advanced.
 

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You say that like it is necessarily a good thing.

For example how many different bottom bracket designs have come out since the final gen of square tapers...all promising to be the "new standard"...all making BS claims of being "__% stiffer"...but end up being less durable...more hassle...oh yea, and cost 5X as much as the old gear they replace for little or no conceivable benefit?

How about cranksets? Remember when a top of the line Campy Record 9s or 10s crankset was $200 a decade ago?



Penis measuring "competitions" like this drives up profit margins but not much else for the little folk.
Ok negative Nancy. And if no one ever pushed technology we would all we riding around on steel lugged bikes (which don't get me wrong have their place, but I do like my carbon too). We would still pay more for nicer or handmade steel bikes. There wouldn't be as many and the price would be higher because of demand for quality bikes. Innovation is not a bad thing and people will pay for the latest and greatest and some people will just stick to whatever is cheap or what they like. Options are a good thing and this is just another option and hopefully will lead to even more options in the future.

Trickle down technology can be seen in Cervelo bikes. Old R5CA which used to be $10K is now in the the R5 for half the price and the old R5 is now the R3 again better bikes at lower costs. I do think the industry is a bit crazy with pricing but the demand is there and people have the money. If people didn't buy it they wouldn't produce it.
 

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if you were to ride in a UCI race with minimum weight requirements you would have to add weight to not be DQ.
It was a rhetorical question.
I am not going to be in any UCI races, ever, and neither are the people this bike is pitched to.
Like Platypius said, nattering on about the UCI weight limit is irrelevant.

The people who are complaining about this bike are people who would not buy it anyway.
 

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Ok negative Nancy. And if no one ever pushed technology we would all we riding around on steel lugged bikes (which don't get me wrong have their place, but I do like my carbon too). We would still pay more for nicer or handmade steel bikes. There wouldn't be as many and the price would be higher because of demand for quality bikes. Innovation is not a bad thing and people will pay for the latest and greatest and some people will just stick to whatever is cheap or what they like. Options are a good thing and this is just another option and hopefully will lead to even more options in the future.

Trickle down technology can be seen in Cervelo bikes. Old R5CA which used to be $10K is now in the the R5 for half the price and the old R5 is now the R3 again better bikes at lower costs. I do think the industry is a bit crazy with pricing but the demand is there and people have the money. If people didn't buy it they wouldn't produce it.

Options are a good thing...but some of these trends kill options.

Try finding an alloy crank, or hell any crankset that costs less than $300USD when not on sale. Your best and only bet is fleabay or one of a handful of specialist retro shops like Velo Orange-almost none of the big names in the industry make them anymore. Try finding a bike frame/fork that fits tires bigger than a mere 25mm or the wider HED Belgium(+) wide-size rims like most of the normal riding population market wants or needs-they're getting hard to find. Which is pretty damn funny as you'd think the bike makers would want to market to as large a segment as possible by affording larger tire sizes for greater rider comfort-instead we have the exact opposite. Fella over in Wheels and Tires is fighting this now with his 2009 Felt Z35 racer. Try finding a roadie bike with fender and rack mounts-your only "option" are Surly specialist bikes (that I know of).


Weight weenie minimalist light weight racing bikes offer trickle down tech...to lightweight minimalist weight weenies, not necessarily anyone else.

These days every big name bike maker sells zoot lightweight carbon racing bikes and not much else...which is great, since most everyone riding a bike doesn't race....and really doesn't care that much about the weight of the bike (bragging aside) as much as themselves.
 

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It doesn't unless you're doing a national championship. Then you must abide by UCI rules, and UCI rules have a minimum weight limit.
Not that it matters, but it's not just nationals. It's also NRC races and obviously any race that is sanctioned by the UCI. And races that select riders for nation team or international racing.
 

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Read my post #29. I don't race! UCI rules have nothing to do with this bike, or the target market.
While the bike in it's uber featherweight form will never be ridden in an UCI santioned event, I have little doubt the frame (or some modified version of it) will be- the Velonews article alluded that the bike/frame would probably be seen in the upcoming TDF. Even if the target market is not pro riders, Trek will certainly want the PR hoopla by it having been seen in prominent events. Let's face it, many riders want the image thing of being able ride the same equipment and kit that the big boys ride. If you Mr. Joe Blow non-pro rider buy a $5k-$15K bike, you want bragging rights that it's a TDF/Giro caliber bike.

Also by pushing the weight limit, Trek adds more ammo to the notion that the UCI weight limit should be lowered. Some would say it's a solution in need of a problem (I think that's a bit harsh), but the bike companies need to focus their R&D efforts on something to make you want a newer model than want you have and also stand out from other companies. Weight is an obvious choice because in theory it isn't subjective.
 

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If you Mr. Joe Blow non-pro rider buy a $5k-$15K bike, you want bragging rights that it's a TDF/Giro caliber bike.
My bike would retail for around $8000. It would never be ridden in a race. Racing doesn't interest me, and I couldn't really give a crap less what the pros are riding.
 

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Options are a good thing...but some of these trends kill options.

Try finding an alloy crank, or hell any crankset that costs less than $300USD when not on sale. Your best and only bet is fleabay or one of a handful of specialist retro shops like Velo Orange-almost none of the big names in the industry make them anymore. .
Where are you shopping for cranksets? At Performance (not usually cheap at all) you can get Ultegra, 105, Rival, Apex, and FSA Gossamer cranksets for under $300. And a Sram Force 22 crankset is $320 before sales. I get the point that you're trying to make as stuff is expensive (I'm looking at you Di2/EPS derailleurs), but there's some hyperbole going on.
 

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I can be missing something, but..

A sturdy carbon frame weights .. 1200g? A light carbon frame weighs... 800g, about a lb less, and builds a weight-weenie 13lb bike?

Even if they take another lb out of the frame (I'm uncertain they did do that), the other 2lb must come from the component spec... that they buy from other places, just like you already could have been doing?

What's the achievement of distinction? It sounds like anyone could have produced a 10.5lb bike. Its merit as a talking point or advertisement vehicle is clear, but what are people going to say when they see the real weight of their bike, which is the same as any other bike they wanted?
 
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