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Please post your bike model, height, stem length, and frame size:

Model Dogma 2 BoB
Rider Height: 6'1"
Frame size: 57.5
Stem: FSA 120mm
 

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Dogma2
Rider Height 5'8"
Integrated Handlebar
51.5
 

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Dogma2 65.1
Height 6'1"
Frame 57.5
Stem -work in progress currently 90cm -5 degree rise
 

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Please post your bike model, height, stem length, and frame size:

Model Dogma 2 BoB
Rider Height: 6'1"
Frame size: 57.5
Stem: FSA 120mm

I am not sure why everyone says that pinarellos "Run big".

I am so happy I did not go one size down as recommended here. In fact, I would almost say the run small. The top tubes are short and what throws it off is the super long seat tube. I can probably ride a 130mm stem... The 57.5 (aka 59 seat tube) fits me well.
 

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Model - Dogma 60.1
Height - 5'10"
Frame - 55cm
Stem - FSA 100mm


My 55cm Dogma fits me great with a 100mm stem. It is comparable in size to my 56cm Moots Vamoots CR and my Large Wilier Cento1.
 

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HELP NEEDED ASAP!

Did all the research possible...but could only test ride a 55 Dogma 2 which was way too small. 57 quattro seemed good. LBS and Pinny dealer said I was 57.5 for sure. So I went with a 57.5 and I think it's just a fraction too big. If I switch to 56...will it be too small with much lower bar?

Main problem is TT length. I have seat slammed forward and 80mm stem. Still feel I am reaching a bit...but just slightly. Aaargh. Standover is fine...even with curved tube.

I'm 6' 3/4"...33.5" leg length (to floor, not inseam).
Long in middle which I thought would make TT perfect on 57.5.

Concern: I switch to 56 (and pay rebuild cost) and bar is too low. I prefer more relaxed position. 200 miles/week average.

Return policy is that I need to act fast!
 

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Hi

I had the same question as you being 6'1" 560 or 575 but I went with 560 after studying
stack and reach measurements.

I have a BB-seat height of 81cm and require a 1cm spacer the make the drop to the bars comfortable.

So to answer your question, if you drop a size your saddle will be approximately 4mm further back. So hardly noticeable in terms of aesthetics and if you use 20mm or more of spacers with the 575 frame you may need to run a positive angle stem or use another 15mm of spacers which would be nearly at or just over the limit for the frame (someone will confirm).

Hope this helps your decision.
 

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Exactly - keep the 56

Hi

I had the same question as you being 6'1" 560 or 575 but I went with 560 after studying
stack and reach measurements.

I have a BB-seat height of 81cm and require a 1cm spacer the make the drop to the bars comfortable.

So to answer your question, if you drop a size your saddle will be approximately 4mm further back. So hardly noticeable in terms of aesthetics and if you use 20mm or more of spacers with the 575 frame you may need to run a positive angle stem or use another 15mm of spacers which would be nearly at or just over the limit for the frame (someone will confirm).

Hope this helps your decision.
It does not sound like the other person is a racer so the 56 with a positive stem would be the ticket.

Since I started this post I have made a few changes on my 57.5.

I went to a zero setback post ($395 ouch!) and a 110mm stem and 20mm of spacers for long climbs. I still manage a 9cm drop.

I have short legs, long torso. My saddle height is 78cm C-T and my reach is 550mm tip to bars. Note that I have the Arione CX saddle which has a long nose.

I tried a 100mm stem but run out of space when getting aero. And feel cramped in the cockpit.

I also dumped the Sram red crankset & BB for this set up:
7800 DA crank arms
Praxis chainrings, x10sl KMC chain
DA 9000 BB

Best crankset I have ever ridden. No shifting problems. Fast and precise as DA electronic.
 

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57cm frame and 80mm stem? Expect very twitchy steering. Definitely not relaxed handling.

Can you try a Rokh? If not go for the smaller frame and a stem that angles upward.

Yup you got it. Twitchy is perfect word for steering. Basically manageable, but for this price "manageable" is not the right word. Feel like I've got to pay too much attention to the bike. Love the ride though.

But you just confirmed my suspicions...switched to 110 stem again and difference was noticeable. More stable...but reach too long.

There's only a 1cm difference in TT length between 56 and 57.5...anyone ridden a 56? And what size are you? Zero-offset post might help me run a longer stem on the 57.5 for steering and load, but stills feels like tinkering to make up for frame that's too big.

Consensus seems to be 56 and bite bullet for rebuild. This is a big purchase for me...needs to be right.
 

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Thanks! Hugely helpful. At 6' 1" we're dead in the middle. But slamming seat and short stem is sure sign I'm trying to make a too-big frame work somehow. I think I'll switch...just what I was trying to avoid. Ugh. Probably will run a positive angle stem with spacers. Everyone here is SO helpful.
 

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Whoops forgot to address advice on Rokh. Couldn't find ONE within 3 hours to test. Only test was Dogma 55 -- small but amazing. Running positive stem on Dogma...vs. Rokh is great suggestion. Tour De France is not in the works anytime soon. I'm against the time-limit for return/exchange though. TT is biggest problem.
 
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