I've used the Performance ripstop nylon pants. For 20 dollors they offer decent protection and are light weight. But they really are not water proof. In one sense I consider rain gear a myth because of the sweat factor. But at the same time I'm thinking that a nylon fabric with a durable laminate might keep me a bit more comfortable through them horrible spells. Again, part of me says "suck it up", use clothing that keeps you warm even when wet. But an other part of me says "maybe there is something better out there? One final question. Has anyone found a nylon laminated product that does not get shredded when worn under a helmet? I find that the hoods on nylon laminated water proof shells just fall apart when worn under a helmet. If anyone has rain gear they really believe in, I'd like to hear about it.