I have an old pair (15 years) of PI road shorts that are comfortable. They have not had 15 years of use since I took a small 12 year break from cycling. Anyway I love them. Did two 200 mile two day rides without any issues. I thought since these worked so well I'd just but another pair of PI shorts and be good to go. I bought the attack shorts for about $80. I hate the 3D chamois. My old shorts have a two layer chamois, tan surrounded by white material. Does PI or anyone else make a quality built, quality fabric, short without a 3D diaper chamois? If so what brand/model? I am not interested in bibs, just shorts. Thanks, Scooter.